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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so Chris last week

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with Andrew Calvin I think some

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listeners didn't get the message there

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and I'll give you an example I got one

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letter from a listener who said well you

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know they can't go along with him

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because he doesn't seem to believe in

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UFOs now maybe I'm getting too old for

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this kind of work but as I recall it

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Andrew Colvin talked about yes military

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disinformation in context UFO sightings

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also abductions but he didn't dismiss

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the possibility of some kind of

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paranormal phenomenon did I get it wrong

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no as a matter of fact you know we

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didn't really address a subject to UFOs

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which which is actually a good thing I

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think I think the UFO topic gets way

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more coverage on the para cast then

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obviously all the other amazing

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paranormal mysteries that we deal with

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on the show and I think we we did kind

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of stay away from that whole subject but

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I never got the impression that he

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didn't think UFOs were a real mystery he

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was not in my view you know broadly

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paintbrush stroking away the phenomenon

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and trying to argue that all these

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sightings are you know military craft or

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you know as yet under financial

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phenomena or whatever I did not get that

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impression at all so I'm not sure you

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know what our listener was referring to

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I think part of it is the inability of

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some people to look at a gray area and

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realize it's not all black and white you

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know obviously not all UFO sightings are

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Ryo represents something unknown only a

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small percentage - actually not all

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cases of abductions may represent the

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possibility of ET abducting people there

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may be lots of other answers there may

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be many answers for the UFO mystery that

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include natural

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whatever they could still be an et out

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there or erase of et's many races coming

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to our planet and doing exploration but

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that doesn't mean there aren't

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paranormal events that occur in

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connection with those UFOs or can be

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used to explain some of those cases even

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at the time that we talked about crypto

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terrestrials with the late Mac Tony's I

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don't think Mac ever said there can't be

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extraterrestrial UFOs just that some

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might be sourced here so why does it

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have to be either/or yeah exactly I mean

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life is you know a series of gray areas

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that get lighter and darker but I mean

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the very the very phenomenon of Mothman

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could be by literal definition defined

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as a UFO so in and in my view Mothman is

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is that one of those perfect

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illustrations of how the UFO phenomenon

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ties into the paranormal because there

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are so many elements that that just you

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can't explain away and I really liked

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Andy's appearance on the show and I'm

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really surprised the forum has we

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haven't seen one single response I

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thought that the our listeners would be

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up there on the forum just posting away

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their opinions on on the many subjects

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that Andy covered and and some of the

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the wonderful little factoids that he

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has uncovered in as many years of

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investigating that case that most people

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aren't aware of about Mothman of course

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we're all sort of pre-programmed if

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we're John keel fans with the Mothman

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Prophecies keels

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excellent book and I'm really surprised

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and actually I'm scratching my head

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wondering why the you know that

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particular show has been one of the few

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this generated absolutely no responses

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in the in the couple of days following

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the broadcast I understand we're doing

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this on a Tuesday the show will be heard

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on a Sunday and I know we said this once

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before with another show gene why aren't

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we getting responses and I think that

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very day or the next day of the board's

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opened up and soon we were inundated

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with your sponsors loaded particular

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show right you remember them I do so it

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could happen

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and I think there are some significant

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issues there like for example UFO

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abductions are some of these staged you

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know yeah are some of these attempts to

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perform some kind of mind-control

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experiment we know the government was

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doing a lot of strange things in the 40s

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50s and 60s etc and some of those things

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weren't very helpful in terms of being

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of benefit to the population however

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however the act of the government in

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doing this kind of stuff doesn't mean

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that et isn't around abducting people to

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perform experiments I don't know I do

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know that we've talked to some people

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about abductions on the power cast I

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remember a guy named Doug Doug is a

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Canadian fellow who did a really

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fascinating interview with us on the

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power cast and then I had a conversation

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with him a few months later we talked on

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the phone or actually on skype for about

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an hour and I got more information more

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details about his abductions in his case

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it doesn't seem that he was involved in

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some kind of government act

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experimentation he had suffered from a

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very severe trauma something happened to

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him we'd like to know what was it et did

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he suffer some kind of unknown mental

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illness I don't know I just think that

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this kind of event or any of these

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events cry out for an explanation and as

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I said it's not always gonna be

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either/or it can't be either/or too much

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going on out there

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in fact even when we've discussed UFOs

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here on the power cast I think we are

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one of the few shows where we speak of

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other possible answers to the phenomenon

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we no no Jeannie jerk ETH assumption

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which i think is important and I think

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what's one of the reasons why the power

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cast sometimes gets unfair criticism

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from some people because we won't simply

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accept the explanations that are offered

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we're going to consider a lot of

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possibilities because the jury is out

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maybe Stanton Friedman totally right

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everything he says by which stan is

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gonna be on our show with John Alexander

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a great debate about whether there is a

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military UFO cover-up later this month

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and we want you to go to the podcast

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forums at forum dot the podcast comm

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where you can post your questions for

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John and Stan and we're going to see

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what happens we haven't really organized

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the debate structure because if we're

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asking your questions then in that case

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it may be something that only one of

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these two people can answer working out

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the structure to see how it work it'll

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be on the para cast in a couple of weeks

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so stay with us we'll also be hearing

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from Peter Robbins who was part of the

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intruders foundation worked very closely

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with the late Bob Hopkins and has lots

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of insights about the subject of UFO

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abductions but he'll also talk about

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Rendlesham forest

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what new events or what new information

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do we have about the Rendlesham forest

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sightings more evidence what can we find

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out about them I wanted to add one more

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thing not long after we recorded the

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first part of this week's show we

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started seeing messages on our forums

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about Andrew Calvin so there you go but

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today we're gonna look at a subject that

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may or may not be out of place that's

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the phase and time out of place in time

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and space

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inventions beliefs and artistic

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anomalies that were impossibly ahead of

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their time the author is Lamont Wood

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Chris tell us about what you discovered

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about this guy in this book well I you

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know when the book came out and it's it

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it just came out about a month or two

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ago and I happened to read a couple

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reviews on it and it brought up some

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very interesting subject areas about

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historical inventions details in the

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corners of paintings objects found in

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tombs things that are totally out of

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place and seem far ahead of their time

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in terms of when they were allegedly

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created and then when we subsequently

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discover them they seem to hint that

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ancient man or in some cases medieval

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man had more knowledge of

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science and you know the cosmos then

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conventional wisdom would would normally

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suggest and this book is incredibly well

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researched it's it's just impeccably

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written the examples that he gives to

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show that we should be looking at

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ancient and medieval man in in a new and

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different light in terms of what they

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actually knew the types of abilities

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they had to determine particular

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scientific principles the book is chock

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full of just anomalies it just

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absolutely don't make sense they're

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totally out of place in time and I'm

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really looking forward to talking with

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LeMond about all these things the book

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is called out of place in time and space

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Lamont woods the author and with gene

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and Chris we have Lamont Wood he's

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author of a new book called out of place

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in time and space which rhymes of course

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with a subtitle inventions beliefs and

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artistic anomalies that were impossibly

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ahead of their time now when I read the

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title of this I say to myself ancient

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astronauts is that an inspiration or a

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possibility is that what you're hinting

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out here not really that's not what I

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was getting at let's put it that way

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since the book has come out I've talked

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to all these people about it I realized

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that a lot of people are really into

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ancient astronauts but no that's not

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what it's about

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there's stuff in there in the 20th

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century for that matter in the 19th

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century but in this better document my

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view point is that there are monumental

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mysteries

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everywhere you look and you don't have

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to be going into these barely documented

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ancient monoliths or whatever which as

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it turns out we know very little about

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of course little very little about it I

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mean people didn't practice literacy

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back then if they did nothing survived

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to us but there are monumental mysteries

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about the stuff going on around us for

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that matter so I looked into what the

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column outliers I need any kind of

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gather data on a particular topic you're

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gonna run into outliers and and that's

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normal and and you can go to college and

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take a couple semesters of statistics

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and learn how to well it's safe to throw

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away and what isn't but I found things

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that basically can fly in the face of

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any linear concept of history things

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that or really shouldn't be

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and I wrote it up as a like a question

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magazine articles each one is standalone

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and I tried to make it entertaining and

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hope I did but the best example of what

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is after was to my left led off with and

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chapter 1 it's been hanging on the wall

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of the museum and France or probably

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centuries and in the last few decades no

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one paid that much attention to one of

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the details of the picture that now

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leaps out at us

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it's fairly conventional Church painting

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a Madonna and Child Christ Charles is

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sitting in the lap of the Virgin Mary

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but nowadays we tend to look at what the

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Christ child is depicted as doing and

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what he is doing is playing with a pulse

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train flying toy helicopter which is

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really weird because that painting was

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made about 1460 and usually they would

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say you know in standing history service

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the helicopter was invented about 1906

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something like that and it finally got

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reliable mass produced versions in the

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1940s which is all true but this kid is

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actually playing for flying toy

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helicopters don't get around so when I

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kept finding these things I'd look for a

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high concept to fit it in I just didn't

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want to say you know crazy John Kriss

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money and came up with just came out

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with the concept of what I wouldn't tell

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I came up to name

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reverse anachronism and the standard

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anachronism is where you go to the

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movies and the movies about world and

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the actors are speaking English but

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daddy's speaking Latin custom moves to

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that road but to accept that because you

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don't know Latin it's like Star Trek

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where you have all those alien beings

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who speak English but then they have a

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universal translator they never visited

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that planet before they have a universal

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translator for it okay absolutely oral

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Fred matter all the female crew members

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are addressed like 1960 style you know

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you probably want around answer that

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doesn't leap out at you but it doesn't

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mean so yeah that's an anachronism

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now were in there so anyway it's a stuff

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depicted as being in the wrong era

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stuffed into present depicted as being

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good and in some other error basically

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but since you were from the present you

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accept that could be confused otherwise

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now the reverse anachronism I came up

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with would be something from the present

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that you find in the past

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depiction of an actual saying a belief

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object or whatever and here we have a

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flying machine from the present and it's

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in the past

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and likely no one paid much attention to

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it the last few decades because we've

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had nothing in common with it it didn't

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belong to our president so he just

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shrugged it off perhaps a better example

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would be the so-called Antikythera

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mechanism well let me explain therefore

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if you're gonna have reversal mechanisms

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from the present that show up in the

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past logic would demand that there are

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things in the future here in the present

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but presumably we don't recognize them

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what they are

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well the antiserum mechanism was found

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off the Greek island of Antikythera

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hence the name in 1901 and when they

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found it they didn't know what it was

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basically it was recorded massive bronze

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gears in the figure was some clockwork

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thingy and now we know what it is

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because it has come into synchronization

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so speakers are present and we can

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recognize what it is was an ancient

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computer not in the binary sense of

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something programmable but in the old

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sense of reprogramming being built into

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the design it was a device for

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synchronizing the lunar calendar of

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solar calendar and and attract various

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other planetary motions with some

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precision incidentally and the thing

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beyond that it included what they call

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planetary gears now if you own a car of

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an automatic transmission inside the

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transmission housing will be some

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planetary gears and no one knew anything

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about them till the Industrial

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Revolution when there was found some

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need for it and mostly driving cars and

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stuff because as you turn the wheels

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have to react a little differently well

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this machine actually used it and it's

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we assumed this was such things were

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unknown at the time it must have

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represented generations of acquired

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skill accumulated knowledge it's then

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disappeared we there's no further

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evidence these you know this is where

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people start talking about ancient

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astronauts like that toy helicopter

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that's uses evidence well how could they

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have anything that advanced hundreds or

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thousands of years ago et had to bring

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it here oh but how come we have it today

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were we able to invent it the invention

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of the man helicopters are about

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document I assume the toy helicopter

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which is kind of less demanding was

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easier to invent and as I point out both

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what you do is you you take a whirligig

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and to the Commons children's toy and

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you apply some power to it a little

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English on it and it will and it will

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produce results that are delightful to a

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small boy will fly yeah and I assume

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that's where this came from and like I

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don't think they needed to consult

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visiting aliens to achieve that now

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there are some examples in here that

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would seem to cry out for either some

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kind of a time travel or intervention or

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alien intervention or something but

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usually I'm able to find some fairly

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mundane way to explain it all using

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Occam's razor which I tried to be

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religious with the belief that the

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simplest explanation is the best someone

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go with now I'm the first to admit that

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the simplest explanation is not always

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correct if for instance you ever took

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organic chemistry to do some very

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complex things going on and then there

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are those answers are correct sometimes

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in politics you know the the Watergate

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scandal that was but there will be the

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hard way to explain what what's going on

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but that was the breaking that was all

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real apparently but when you get into

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that when you get away from Occam's

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razor you have to explain a number of

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things that I find kind of daunting one

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that eight visiting astronauts would

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share our agenda and would do what we

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want them to do and do something

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actually understandable to us well I

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don't understand my cat's agenda well

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why would be you know we'll have to get

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into more of this in just a moment we're

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talking to Lamont would the book is

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called out of place in time and space

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and maybe something that we have

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developed here not something that maybe

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we picked up from some kind of et

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intervention right we'll have more to go

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let me ask you the other question which

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is what about the existence of highly

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advanced civilizations right here on

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earth yeah they exist do you know

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believe someone you know managed to sit

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still long enough to develop the

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necessary means now we're referring to

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what currently existing ones or the

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ancient ones are we like to think that

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civilization moved in some kind of

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linear way you know that with a few back

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steps along history yeah you know we

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were Neanderthals we were humans we work

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with stone we developed all sorts of

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advanced technologies for their time and

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eventually we arrived here but the issue

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being what would happen if something

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took out our civilization next week

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around 10,000 years from now we might

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still have some humans left but would

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they have any recollection except in

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legends that we existed and we reach

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this level of civilization such as it is

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well I think that the population we have

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now being generally littered has

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accommodated to a level of technical

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civilization that they would try to

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return to I would point out Western

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Europe after world war ii and also these

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are flattened and they didn't stay in

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there after arms folded and say well i

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guess we have to go back to the Stone

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Age now they said no we're gonna have to

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rebuild the sewer system in the water

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system and the electrical system and all

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the bridges etc etc and they did that

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and I really think our descendants

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would not be jellyfishing we try to do

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something similar

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admittedly there's some level of damage

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that might not might not be able to

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overcome if they reduce to scattered

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survivors surrounded by large ruins and

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presumably in 10,000 years they would

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eventually rebuild some kind of

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civilization and marvel at these ruins

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but in that case I think we would see

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them starting all over and probably

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reliving vaguely the history that we see

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in our past so basically we basically

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relive our civilization our developments

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so was there an Atlantis it doesn't

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matter I kind of doubt it I haven't seen

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no one found any convincing ruins and we

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don't need to put there to have been so

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for the heck for there to have been one

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the the course of our civilization is

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fairly old and the technology required

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supported and the development that is

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it's fairly well known and the things I

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found in my book are I say how liars

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they don't refute the major timelines

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they just show that we have to account

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for them anyway and you accounted for

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possibly the building of a toy that

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people did imagine yeah flying things in

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the sky and somebody came up with

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something that is a toy it's not

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something that you can fly it doesn't

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show some kind of advanced propulsion

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system it doesn't show an internal

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combustion engine it's just a toy and I

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do

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I did notice or an ongoing theme in that

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00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,430
often children's toys don't seem to eat

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the attention they deserve you're just

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written off as you know frivolous

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nonsense that flying machine would be

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one

733
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we also outscored the Romans had

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steam-powered toys which they did not

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develop in any direction of course

736
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there's usual stories about tombs in

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Central America

738
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where they find wheeled toys right but

739
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they never use the wheel they never they

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never actually utilized it for purposes

741
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of carrying heavy objects and

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moving goods from one place to another

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presumably that was because we didn't

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have decent roads and draft animals so

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it would have been actually no immediate

746
00:31:39,479 --> 00:31:36,369
benefit but you do have to wonder it not

747
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:39,489
so much yeah today I take from this is

748
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:41,409
not cetera we shouldn't be sitting here

749
00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:43,929
thinking gosh they were stupid we should

750
00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:46,950
be thinking one we ignoring right now

751
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:49,389
what game changers sitting out there

752
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:51,450
that's four year old boy playing with

753
00:31:56,729 --> 00:31:54,609
maybe we should pay attention to okay

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00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,739
and then and then you look at video

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games and and some of the technology

756
00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:01,539
that suggested in there well Lamont

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00:32:05,249 --> 00:32:03,460
before we get too far along and there

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00:32:07,349 --> 00:32:05,259
are a quite a number of these out of

759
00:32:10,619 --> 00:32:07,359
place anomalies that we're going to be

760
00:32:12,779 --> 00:32:10,629
discussing some real fascinating ones to

761
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:12,789
some that are real head scratchers

762
00:32:18,659 --> 00:32:15,460
but let's get a little bit more of a

763
00:32:21,479 --> 00:32:18,669
sense of you in your background how you

764
00:32:25,169 --> 00:32:21,489
became involved in yeah what is your

765
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,179
interest how did you interest become you

766
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,279
know a fascination to the point where

767
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:29,200
you really started you know as you said

768
00:32:31,349 --> 00:32:30,850
creating these magazine articles and

769
00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:31,359
stuff

770
00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:34,919
was it the was it the painting of the

771
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:37,269
Madonna and Child that really got you

772
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,609
going or was this was that just a straw

773
00:32:45,239 --> 00:32:40,960
that kind of broke the camel's back for

774
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,249
you because you you have done an amazing

775
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:47,200
amount of research and I must commend

776
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:49,330
you on this this is one of the better

777
00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:50,769
research books that I've read recently

778
00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:53,830
and have you always had an interest in

779
00:32:57,779 --> 00:32:56,200
these sorts of subject areas or once you

780
00:33:00,119 --> 00:32:57,789
give us a little sense of who Lamont

781
00:33:01,769 --> 00:33:00,129
wood is well I have been a freelance

782
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:01,779
writer for more than 30 years now

783
00:33:06,629 --> 00:33:03,609
knowing the high tech co-writing for

784
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:06,639
computer industrial magazines and and

785
00:33:09,749 --> 00:33:08,590
constantly involved in research trying

786
00:33:12,659 --> 00:33:09,759
to keep up on what's going on

787
00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:12,669
I've always been a history buff and as

788
00:33:18,629 --> 00:33:15,879
always as time goes on and I see my

789
00:33:21,659 --> 00:33:18,639
field evolving rather quickly and to you

790
00:33:25,889 --> 00:33:21,669
know things totally expected you have to

791
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:25,899
apply that gene can gene can identify

792
00:33:30,629 --> 00:33:28,090
with that he is also a high tech

793
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:30,639
infection Otto as it has another radio

794
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:33,609
show that deals with with high tech the

795
00:33:37,109 --> 00:33:35,289
high tech subject but yeah I'm sorry

796
00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:37,119
well I thought camera phones are stupid

797
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:39,220
when they came out and see what happened

798
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:39,730
there

799
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:42,760
I've been around quite a bit and and

800
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:44,440
looking back in history a lot of people

801
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:46,500
than wrong quite a bit of technology it

802
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:50,250
seems to have a mind of its own but

803
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:52,420
people latch on to what they find useful

804
00:33:58,670 --> 00:33:55,240
will run with it we have yet to found

805
00:34:03,930 --> 00:33:58,680
the population I think but anyway I

806
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:03,940
became a history buff but I was to be a

807
00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:06,280
newspaper reporter too and was aware

808
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:09,880
about how a lot of people seem to look

809
00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:11,800
for the conspiracy theory and everything

810
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:13,780
when if you look you will immediately

811
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:17,200
find what I call the logistical theory

812
00:34:22,350 --> 00:34:19,450
behind it like it was all they could do

813
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:22,360
really I mean the road led there and

814
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:24,700
that's where they went the horses had to

815
00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:26,830
be fed and so they fed them and those

816
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:28,419
two things will end it meant the army

817
00:34:33,659 --> 00:34:29,470
went this way not that way

818
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,669
stuff like that and sorry I can't

819
00:34:39,390 --> 00:34:34,960
combine that with this

820
00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:39,400
I looked into these odd things and was

821
00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:41,620
usually able to find life it was the

822
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:44,980
logistical answer I'm just probably

823
00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:46,270
something profound there I should be

824
00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:48,190
saying it's mind it's adrift here for a

825
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moment but oh he also a history buff i

826
00:34:59,370 --> 00:34:55,150
also was always impressed by the

827
00:35:02,430 --> 00:34:59,380
Socratic approach Socrates he looked

828
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:02,440
into the matter and decided that um made

829
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:04,510
two discoveries one was that ultimately

830
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:05,940
no one knows what they're talking about

831
00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:10,450
and to all human logic is circular

832
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:13,990
probably because of number one and using

833
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and the have yet to find counter

834
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:26,740
examples so combined all that and some

835
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:30,280
research to go out and find like sadie's

836
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:33,270
outline pieces of data mostly it was the

837
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:35,650
on the basis of faith that I would find

838
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,590
if I looked for them no we have the book

839
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:40,240
that's in front of us I found like 42

840
00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:42,610
examples and that's always scratching

841
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:44,020
the surface or there's more out there

842
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:45,010
trust me

843
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:49,570
but the ones I have here at least

844
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,240
entertaining ones

845
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:53,680
but in every case here there's a

846
00:36:00,240 --> 00:35:56,170
conventional answer there's no mysticism

847
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:00,250
or paranormal rate involved I can't see

848
00:36:04,859 --> 00:36:02,740
anything work you have to say they're

849
00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:04,869
just some mysticism but frankly there's

850
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:08,500
some I cannot in good faith say that I

851
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:10,270
have an answer you know what I think

852
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:13,150
maybe as we progress with the show let's

853
00:36:18,540 --> 00:36:15,550
talk about the stuff that stumped Lamont

854
00:36:21,450 --> 00:36:18,550
would the stuff that you can't explain

855
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:21,460
this stuff yeah because that gets our

856
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listeners thinking about the

857
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possibilities and we could look into

858
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maybe what those possibilities might be

859
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the book is called out of place in time

860
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and space

861
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subtitled inventions beliefs and

862
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artistic anomalies that were impossibly

863
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ahead of their time and I want to get

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into beliefs - okay I'm gene Steinberg

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the co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in

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[Music]

958
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we're not out of time or outer space or

959
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:19,660
anything like that but we're talking to

960
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,500
Lamont Wood

961
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:22,960
the book is called out of place in time

962
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:26,110
and space so let me ask you first of all

963
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:28,330
before we get into some of these

964
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:29,980
artifacts that might have stumped you

965
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:32,410
you're talking about beliefs that are

966
00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:35,290
out of place in time and space what kind

967
00:41:38,310 --> 00:41:36,280
of beliefs

968
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:38,320
well knowledge that you would not expect

969
00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:42,910
people to have such as best example and

970
00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:45,340
the one that really stumps me possibly

971
00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:48,040
the most prosaic you'll know about will

972
00:41:54,359 --> 00:41:50,080
be the first novel that Jules Verne

973
00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:54,369
wrote and was in 1865 and and his course

974
00:41:59,580 --> 00:41:57,700
of a life he wrote about 50 novels the

975
00:42:03,120 --> 00:41:59,590
minority which actually were science

976
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:03,130
fiction but his first one was called

977
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:07,780
from earth to moon and he presents an

978
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:09,970
American space program to launch three

979
00:42:14,849 --> 00:42:12,490
men from Florida and an aluminum capsule

980
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:14,859
and they go around the moon returned to

981
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:16,690
earth land in the Pacific Ocean and I

982
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:19,030
picked up by the US Navy does any of

983
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:22,900
that sound familiar good point yeah and

984
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:25,690
it's pretty much metaphorically and then

985
00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:28,330
we describes the Apollo 8 mission which

986
00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:33,160
was in 1968 103 years later now going

987
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:35,260
back to Jules Verne he in his science

988
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:36,430
fiction novels he makes a lot of

989
00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:39,010
technological protections most of which

990
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:40,600
were extensions of stuff that was going

991
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:42,040
on in his lifetime you know air

992
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:45,970
conditioners cars fax machines but it's

993
00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:50,170
hard to go back to 1865 and see anything

994
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:53,380
that you could build into an American

995
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:56,050
space programs and mendon own and

996
00:43:00,560 --> 00:42:57,250
especially that was that particular

997
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:00,570
scenario and in fact that the novel

998
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:04,780
includes a fairly detailed budget for

999
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:09,400
the project and I've seen analysis that

1000
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:12,010
show that you know including inflation

1001
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:14,350
when you figure inflation it's about 85%

1002
00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:17,710
of the cost of the Apollo program up to

1003
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:18,580
the time of

1004
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:22,630
eight so I guess he didn't include

1005
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:24,010
enough manager overhead there's

1006
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:26,170
something well I think you said that

1007
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:28,630
where did I get this you know exactly

1008
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:32,290
I'm pounding so 20,000 Leagues Under the

1009
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:34,570
Sea to the sophistication of the

1010
00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:38,590
novelists is another example I'm being

1011
00:43:41,850 --> 00:43:40,420
quite forward-thinking of course we also

1012
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:41,860
have arts arthur c clarke and

1013
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,320
particularly in the you know the

1014
00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:48,160
satellite yeah that was more alexei an

1015
00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:50,620
extension of the known technology but

1016
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:54,340
for this particular scenario it's just

1017
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:57,310
hard to see where he got it now when you

1018
00:44:00,600 --> 00:43:58,570
get into the details of course he didn't

1019
00:44:02,250 --> 00:44:00,610
get it right he would behead him he can

1020
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:02,260
serve iraq up the cannon would not have

1021
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:05,290
been believable in making system and he

1022
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:06,760
couldn't have described how to how to

1023
00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:08,650
build one he didn't know how himself and

1024
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:10,360
he could describe how the build of huge

1025
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:12,070
can and then all the things that went

1026
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:16,150
around it so so I forgive him in the

1027
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:18,220
land but everybody should read it sort

1028
00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:20,590
of metaphorically is so accurate is

1029
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:25,120
theory but anyway no I don't have an

1030
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:26,470
explanation for that one I don't know

1031
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:29,290
where he got that listening to echoes in

1032
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:30,550
the future or something if you want to

1033
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:32,530
you know get mystical about that go

1034
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:34,300
ahead I can't say no but isn't that a

1035
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:35,950
part and parcel of what science fiction

1036
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:38,350
writers have always done which is kind

1037
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:42,070
of speculate on future developments and

1038
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:44,830
sometimes they hit the nail on the head

1039
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:46,630
and sometimes they don't it's not just

1040
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:50,520
because the star tracfone from Motorola

1041
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:53,890
was very much like the communicator in

1042
00:44:59,940 --> 00:44:56,530
Star Trek or that the handheld computer

1043
00:45:04,410 --> 00:44:59,950
in Star Trek next generation was very

1044
00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:04,420
much like an iPad is it also that today

1045
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:06,820
we look at literature were inspired by

1046
00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:09,370
literature and when we create these

1047
00:45:15,810 --> 00:45:11,590
things we use that inspiration to make

1048
00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:15,820
it so yes and what you say is all true I

1049
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:18,100
think this particular but when someone

1050
00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:20,140
writes a science fiction novel remember

1051
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:22,390
the main thing is the plot normally and

1052
00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:24,780
then you have some technological

1053
00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:27,840
assumptions which presumably are

1054
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:30,520
something beyond what the reader is

1055
00:45:34,330 --> 00:45:31,790
expected to have experience

1056
00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:34,340
and therefore you who introduced some

1057
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:37,700
level of aah to it in this particular

1058
00:45:43,330 --> 00:45:42,230
novel the the plot and the technology

1059
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:43,340
are two different things there is no

1060
00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:45,710
there is nothing about the technology

1061
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:50,060
that requires for instance that taxes

1062
00:46:00,100 --> 00:45:57,530
made political problems with the project

1063
00:46:03,090 --> 00:46:00,110
being located in Florida and in reality

1064
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:03,100
that is what happened - and that is why

1065
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:05,260
Mission Control is located in Houston

1066
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:09,910
now why did he include that you know

1067
00:46:20,830 --> 00:46:18,470
this that's a century later it seems

1068
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:20,840
beyond coincidental I mean you know some

1069
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:23,450
new ages would argue that oh he must

1070
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:25,190
have been tapped into the Akashic

1071
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:26,930
records and he was able to pull these

1072
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:30,650
future events out of some sort of you

1073
00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:33,560
know mystical Hall of Records and I was

1074
00:46:44,110 --> 00:46:42,080
able to that well I'm kind of agreeing

1075
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:44,120
with you there Lamont I'm not I'm not

1076
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:46,190
refuting what you're saying I I do

1077
00:46:52,270 --> 00:46:48,410
really have a sense though that the

1078
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:52,280
power of human imagination is is is

1079
00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:55,490
incredible and I think the you know

1080
00:47:00,820 --> 00:46:58,150
putting the science in science fiction

1081
00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:00,830
is is something that humans do very well

1082
00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:03,560
and there's all sorts of examples down

1083
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,140
you know through the decades so we've

1084
00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:08,480
been you know most of our listeners I'm

1085
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:10,070
sure science fiction fans so we've seen

1086
00:47:13,810 --> 00:47:12,230
examples of this but but what do you

1087
00:47:17,860 --> 00:47:13,820
think I mean what what is your

1088
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:17,870
particular explanation or your

1089
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:20,510
assumption about all this I mean how do

1090
00:47:24,310 --> 00:47:21,890
you think he was able to come up with

1091
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:24,320
all these plot details it that are

1092
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:26,920
eerily sound eerily familiar

1093
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:30,110
well the simplest explanation again I

1094
00:47:36,910 --> 00:47:33,650
want to go with that he got lucky now

1095
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,920
and that's that's all I can say I mean I

1096
00:47:41,590 --> 00:47:39,520
don't really have a theory beyond that

1097
00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:41,600
now there's been a couple of other

1098
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:43,820
examples in here or I'd say he got lucky

1099
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,510
and just more

1100
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:47,760
I think it sounds more reasonable to say

1101
00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:49,980
that but in this case there's just too

1102
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,580
much to lucky about so so I'm

1103
00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:55,920
dumbfounded anyway else I don't have a

1104
00:48:00,680 --> 00:47:58,020
theory I just put it out there I'm not

1105
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:00,690
I'm not here trying to win anybody over

1106
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:02,910
to any particular philosophy viewpoint

1107
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:05,010
except maybe Occam's razor that's not

1108
00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:07,170
like I've been pretty good old ahkam

1109
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,340
yeah good ol Arkham okay we have jules

1110
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:13,560
verne from Earth to the Moon

1111
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:15,090
getting a few too many things right

1112
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:17,190
Frank can't explain it what else give me

1113
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:20,970
another example of something where there

1114
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:25,020
is this evidence of an invention or

1115
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,510
anything that just seemed a little too

1116
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:30,180
pad a little too far advanced and too

1117
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:32,250
accurate to have a conventional

1118
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:35,670
explanation well it's not so much an

1119
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:39,270
explanation an invention as just

1120
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:42,960
something that really just defies

1121
00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:43,800
explanation

1122
00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:46,190
and that would be the Voynich manuscript

1123
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:49,230
it's a vellum manuscript that's been

1124
00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:53,760
dated 1420 and it's 120 pages long

1125
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:55,830
it's hand lettered in hand Illustrated

1126
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:57,330
of course it has to be that it was

1127
00:49:01,340 --> 00:48:58,560
before the invention of the printing

1128
00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:01,350
press okay so far so good and it's

1129
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:03,990
written in an alphabetical language the

1130
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,330
problem is the alphabet is like nothing

1131
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:08,640
match there's no other alphabet on earth

1132
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:17,040
and the language Katyn can be analyzed

1133
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:19,170
they can find mathematical patterns and

1134
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:22,800
as you would in a real language but it

1135
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:25,980
matches no known language and some of

1136
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:28,290
the leading lights in the field of

1137
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:31,530
cryptography have tried to decrypt it

1138
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:33,570
break it whatever analyze it come up

1139
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:36,030
with anything no one has really been

1140
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:38,550
able to prove my opinion that it

1141
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:41,850
contains any information of the third

1142
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:44,460
party to extract yet it is laid out like

1143
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:45,750
it was a book like it's supposed to be

1144
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:48,230
read by somebody

1145
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:51,030
there are word that are in parts of it

1146
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:53,000
but not in other parts of the stabilises

1147
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,420
vocabulary of the

1148
00:50:01,150 --> 00:49:58,400
be subject to that chapter or whatever

1149
00:50:03,730 --> 00:50:01,160
and then there's the illustrations which

1150
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:03,740
appear to be about things but when you

1151
00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:05,900
look how closely we can't forever they

1152
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:07,700
are there appears to be illustrate some

1153
00:50:11,650 --> 00:50:09,050
sort of botanical information but they

1154
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:11,660
don't match any company there appears to

1155
00:50:14,410 --> 00:50:12,920
be Illustrated of astronomical

1156
00:50:18,940 --> 00:50:14,420
information but they don't match any

1157
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:18,950
known astronomy a lot of these there's a

1158
00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:21,650
lot of strange plumbing and women about

1159
00:50:29,830 --> 00:50:22,940
clothes on but you're not good to stand

1160
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:29,840
around so no one has been able figure it

1161
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:31,190
out basically now there are several

1162
00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:33,530
possible explanations which aren't just

1163
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:35,390
have big holes on them one is that you

1164
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:37,400
know if the hoax and well let me four

1165
00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:39,470
before we go into that simplest

1166
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:41,150
explanation going back to alkanes razor

1167
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:44,930
for having something that matches the

1168
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:46,870
mathematical patterns of a language but

1169
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:50,000
contains no information is that someone

1170
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:51,830
took gibber --is-- and then encrypted it

1171
00:50:56,590 --> 00:50:54,560
and the act of a crypting it would add

1172
00:50:58,930 --> 00:50:56,600
two mathematical patterns that make it

1173
00:51:01,090 --> 00:50:58,940
seem like a language okay that's great

1174
00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:01,100
if you're going to sell it to CIA you

1175
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:03,320
know I might could Muse him for an extra

1176
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:06,140
few hours in 1420 I don't think that was

1177
00:51:12,730 --> 00:51:10,910
a big deal maybe he did you know concoct

1178
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,740
it to sell it's a rare book dealer but

1179
00:51:17,470 --> 00:51:14,720
why go to all this trouble you know

1180
00:51:18,490 --> 00:51:17,480
what's the motivation yeah I'll tell you

1181
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:18,500
what before we get into those

1182
00:51:25,690 --> 00:51:21,890
motivations because these are answers we

1183
00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:25,700
may never find is called out of place in

1184
00:51:31,540 --> 00:51:28,040
time and space the author with us on the

1185
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:31,550
power cast is Lamont Wood so that means

1186
00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:33,590
with gene and Chris you're definitely in

1187
00:51:44,859 --> 00:51:36,500
the para cast

1188
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:44,869
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1217
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1219
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:11,450
here's Jane Steinberg this is our to of

1220
00:53:15,370 --> 00:53:13,490
the para cast with Gene and Chris our

1221
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:15,380
guests is Lamont Wood we're looking at

1222
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:19,609
the ancient or not so ancient anomalies

1223
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,910
we can find no explanations for and

1224
00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:24,800
we're trying to figure it out now if you

1225
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:26,990
want that you're speculative hat on

1226
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:28,970
there would you like to do that Lamont

1227
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:31,940
ins and Jess what the last anomaly you

1228
00:53:37,660 --> 00:53:35,450
mentioned might be caused by the Voynich

1229
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:37,670
manuscript the hand lettered and

1230
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:41,180
illustrated mature 420 that appears to

1231
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:43,990
be in no known language but appear

1232
00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:46,720
possibly is a language or pretty sure

1233
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:48,950
there's a thing called OCD

1234
00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:51,890
obsessive-compulsive disorder and people

1235
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:54,260
with that have been known to sit down

1236
00:54:02,700 --> 00:53:57,170
and enter own language and write a book

1237
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:02,710
in it this was this was done in 1420 and

1238
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,180
whoever did it had access to the skill

1239
00:54:10,810 --> 00:54:08,000
and the tools needed which were not in

1240
00:54:13,089 --> 00:54:10,820
wide circulation and it probably took a

1241
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:13,099
year to do the thing usually when

1242
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:15,740
someone does that analysis will usually

1243
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:17,750
show that it's they're taking their

1244
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:19,849
native language and like turned at 90

1245
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:26,620
well the question would be then it may

1246
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,849
be somebody back then was doing what we

1247
00:54:32,859 --> 00:54:30,640
do today to invent the Klingon language

1248
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:32,869
yeah maybe yeah

1249
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:34,910
it would only take one but any then you

1250
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:36,170
have to talk about the illustrations

1251
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:38,330
that go with it that consistently appear

1252
00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:40,010
to depict something but on closer

1253
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:42,080
inspection don't now how would you do

1254
00:54:45,130 --> 00:54:43,369
that over and over again you think

1255
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:45,140
eventually you'd base on something

1256
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:47,060
real-- just because would be easier I

1257
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,030
think this goes beyond OCD but beyond

1258
00:54:55,390 --> 00:54:52,400
that I really can't say it I'm mystified

1259
00:54:57,579 --> 00:54:55,400
by this one and I go so far as to think

1260
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,589
that maybe this is one of those reverse

1261
00:55:01,089 --> 00:54:59,119
anachronism in the future we don't

1262
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:01,099
understand it because we're not equipped

1263
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:02,450
to do so it's from because they have

1264
00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:03,650
nothing in common with it maybe

1265
00:55:07,089 --> 00:55:06,230
centuries from now we'll understand what

1266
00:55:09,759 --> 00:55:07,099
it is

1267
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:09,769
I think for the moment we're nasal you

1268
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:11,630
see idea we're not going to understand

1269
00:55:17,890 --> 00:55:15,470
that may sound simple not very

1270
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:17,900
satisfying but that that is what I've

1271
00:55:22,299 --> 00:55:20,960
come think locationally if you don't

1272
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:22,309
have if you don't have an explanation

1273
00:55:27,789 --> 00:55:26,329
and you wear a hole in your head from

1274
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:27,799
scratch you know you have to kind of

1275
00:55:32,859 --> 00:55:30,710
just cop a plea and say this just

1276
00:55:35,289 --> 00:55:32,869
absolutely doesn't make sense now as you

1277
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:35,299
point out in your book quite a number of

1278
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:39,140
very talented cryptologists and you know

1279
00:55:44,729 --> 00:55:42,319
experts in code have looked at this and

1280
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:44,739
have been stumped hounded and stomped

1281
00:55:50,170 --> 00:55:47,690
which I think should be underscored here

1282
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:50,180
it's not like average people like you me

1283
00:55:54,489 --> 00:55:52,729
and gene have looked at this and said

1284
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:54,499
wow that's kind of weird isn't it I mean

1285
00:55:59,710 --> 00:55:57,410
train cryptologists have looked at this

1286
00:56:02,529 --> 00:55:59,720
and they can't figure it out and in that

1287
00:56:04,809 --> 00:56:02,539
alone I think is very very good it makes

1288
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,819
this the Voynich manuscript extremely

1289
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:06,559
intriguing and it's one of the most

1290
00:56:12,459 --> 00:56:09,170
enigmatic of all historical objects

1291
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:12,469
correct me if I'm wrong well I agree you

1292
00:56:17,289 --> 00:56:15,529
cannot find any rationality and you

1293
00:56:20,349 --> 00:56:17,299
expect something you know someone did it

1294
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:20,359
for a reason but we can't determine what

1295
00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:22,130
that is or maybe that in person was

1296
00:56:27,759 --> 00:56:25,880
totally insane seriously yeah yes and it

1297
00:56:30,759 --> 00:56:27,769
would only take one but that insane

1298
00:56:34,359 --> 00:56:30,769
person I say had access to some rather

1299
00:56:37,479 --> 00:56:34,369
remarkable tools and skill and and had

1300
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:37,489
free rein to use them for many years and

1301
00:56:43,479 --> 00:56:39,410
did so on a consistent basis do at that

1302
00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:43,489
time wonder what his wife thought honey

1303
00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:45,829
stop writing that gibber's should come

1304
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,640
in here and have your mutton stew well

1305
00:56:54,009 --> 00:56:51,200
here's one that I've always been

1306
00:56:56,769 --> 00:56:54,019
intrigued by and it's it's I don't know

1307
00:57:00,579 --> 00:56:56,779
how you would classify this but there

1308
00:57:03,489 --> 00:57:00,589
have been inventions in the past that we

1309
00:57:06,849 --> 00:57:03,499
know through the historical record have

1310
00:57:08,709 --> 00:57:06,859
existed but yet the knowledge of it now

1311
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:08,719
has disappeared and we don't have a

1312
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:12,200
sense of how ancient man or a kind I'm

1313
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:14,569
referring to Greek fire would be you

1314
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:15,410
know the

1315
00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:18,380
example of technology that supposedly

1316
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:21,500
existed at the time that we can't figure

1317
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:24,530
it out now and in that also dovetails

1318
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:29,569
into the whole I think was 214 BC siege

1319
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:32,569
of Syracuse and the use of advanced

1320
00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:35,210
optics I don't want you first uh let's

1321
00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:37,220
talk about Greek fire I'm not sure if

1322
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:39,380
you mention it in your book but and then

1323
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:43,010
let's go go ahead talking about well

1324
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,750
remember the ancients were secretive

1325
00:57:49,779 --> 00:57:46,880
about it you know secret military

1326
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:49,789
technology but from the various pictures

1327
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:52,640
we do find we presume it was cheap

1328
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:55,010
gunpowder basically flash powder the

1329
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,210
fact that they didn't shoot it out of

1330
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:57,680
tubes well that they probably thought

1331
00:58:01,089 --> 00:57:59,690
that was a dumb idea and because you

1332
00:58:03,490 --> 00:58:01,099
know didn't have good metallurgy and the

1333
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:03,500
to but would burst and you know better

1334
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:05,569
the throw the catapult break open and do

1335
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:07,970
nasty things at the other end so it's

1336
00:58:14,349 --> 00:58:10,910
been said that like Julius Caesar and

1337
00:58:16,779 --> 00:58:14,359
Saladin and Richard Lionheart and worse

1338
00:58:20,769 --> 00:58:16,789
probably as used to smell gunpowder and

1339
00:58:22,779 --> 00:58:20,779
Napoleon because Greek fire was used in

1340
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:22,789
their time again they they use it more

1341
00:58:27,490 --> 00:58:26,180
presidents injuries then for explosives

1342
00:58:33,460 --> 00:58:27,500
in a different environment different

1343
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,470
approach work for them so but neither so

1344
00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:35,680
you can't really say it went away

1345
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:37,700
probably we still have it's called

1346
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:39,890
gunpowder know stuff to dig go away

1347
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:41,510
though yeah that we still have that and

1348
00:58:45,970 --> 00:58:42,950
you mentioned the siege of Syracuse that

1349
00:58:48,609 --> 00:58:45,980
was in 212 BC and there are three

1350
00:58:51,220 --> 00:58:48,619
different Greek and Roman historians

1351
00:58:52,930 --> 00:58:51,230
they give a blow-by-blow account of what

1352
00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:52,940
happened and they've been sitting on the

1353
00:58:56,589 --> 00:58:54,500
shelf for 20 centuries now and they read

1354
00:58:58,420 --> 00:58:56,599
like science fiction but then you have

1355
00:59:00,819 --> 00:58:58,430
to remember that the head of defense

1356
00:59:02,410 --> 00:59:00,829
planning for the city of Syracuse was a

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00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:02,420
guy named Archimedes who we may have

1358
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:05,990
heard of and apparently whatever his

1359
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:08,690
reputation was he exceeded it in real

1360
00:59:13,539 --> 00:59:10,730
life he I mean like the first mad

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00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:13,549
scientist or something the Romans who

1362
00:59:17,769 --> 00:59:15,410
when they first assaulted the city they

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00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:17,779
described being met by a hail of

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00:59:22,299 --> 00:59:19,670
indirect missile fire coming over the

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00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:22,309
walls and on them and attract them as

1366
00:59:27,130 --> 00:59:23,960
they moved even to the base of the wall

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00:59:29,819 --> 00:59:27,140
which they didn't expect and this

1368
00:59:32,529 --> 00:59:29,829
implies three things

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00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:32,539
highly-tuned catapults of predictable

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00:59:37,930 --> 00:59:35,420
result accurate range finders and

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00:59:40,269 --> 00:59:37,940
central fire control now you don't see

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00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:40,279
that in the Western technology to what

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00:59:44,650 --> 00:59:41,359
1912

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00:59:46,450 --> 00:59:44,660
oddly enough then they returned for a

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00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:46,460
night attack having that one strove they

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00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:47,990
were driven away and in the day attack

1377
00:59:54,579 --> 00:59:50,510
and they brought their ships up to a

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00:59:58,809 --> 00:59:54,589
point on the seawall or directly faced

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01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:58,819
navigable water and at that point they

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01:00:01,930 --> 01:00:00,440
described these large machines and

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01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:01,940
rearing up from on the other side of the

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wall which reached over and either smash

1383
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:06,760
their ships or capsize them I presume

1384
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,770
again we like science fiction but I say

1385
01:00:14,170 --> 01:00:11,599
that this means these are histories are

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01:00:16,990 --> 01:00:14,180
obviously based on first-hand accounts I

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presume Archimedes came up with

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something that resembles modern

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construction cranes of the the upright

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:24,200
mast and horizontal mast and the leaves

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:25,970
were swung out to drop things on the

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01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:28,010
ships or do dropped grappling hooks

1393
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:31,849
which then lifted him how to balance and

1394
01:00:36,970 --> 01:00:34,609
cause him to capsize there's no mention

1395
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:36,980
of these machines and Archimedes

1396
01:00:44,859 --> 01:00:41,170
writings he in fact he doesn't and

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01:00:46,809 --> 01:00:44,869
surviving treatises come down to us in

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01:00:49,299 --> 01:00:46,819
there quite a few he doesn't mention

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anything practical it's all pure

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research but the research topics are

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01:00:57,789 --> 01:00:55,760
things like how to establish the balance

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01:00:59,019 --> 01:00:57,799
point of a ship which of course is a

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01:01:03,190 --> 01:00:59,029
good thing to know if you can capsize

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01:01:05,019 --> 01:01:03,200
them and how to determine the volume of

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01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:05,029
a curved object of course the ships

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01:01:10,569 --> 01:01:07,490
hulls curved and once you know the

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volume in a mature ways and playing from

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there and and also there was he once

1409
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:19,130
wrote on parabolic shapes which is

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01:01:25,059 --> 01:01:21,890
interesting because the siege of

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Syracuse is also known for producing

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01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:27,589
stories about ease of ancient Greek

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01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:31,270
death rays which we presume were

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01:01:37,019 --> 01:01:33,859
billboard sized arrays have polished

1415
01:01:40,329 --> 01:01:37,029
middle mirror have some parabolic shapes

1416
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:40,339
used to set fired any ships now this is

1417
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:42,170
not as well documented this first-hand

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01:01:45,630 --> 01:01:43,130
accounts I mentioned

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01:01:47,650 --> 01:01:45,640
don't mention no say anything about that

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01:01:49,569 --> 01:01:47,660
the shows up and later Byzantine

1421
01:01:52,749 --> 01:01:49,579
medieval accounts but must have been

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01:01:54,729 --> 01:01:52,759
based on something modern efforts to

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01:01:56,529 --> 01:01:54,739
replicate this had mixed results miss

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covers it's not that easy to set afire

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wouldn't share the special one it's a

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crew you know and buckets and stuff but

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I point out that setting fire to ship

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may have been you know secondary the

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Romans were besieging the harbor if in

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daylight they could like dazzle the

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pickup boats it'd be easier to get the

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blockade runners going in out so that

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that may have been the simple tactic

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just trying to drive away the guards in

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space I'm gonna just segue to one thing

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here which we didn't get to before that

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much beliefs what are the beliefs that

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seems strangely advanced for their time

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belief in like antiseptic surgery belief

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01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:54,259
in monotheism belief in the N squared

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01:07:59,259 --> 01:07:56,209
log musical attrition which can

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technically I place little cool things

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like that no some of this noise like I

1555
01:08:06,279 --> 01:08:03,229
point out doing things with Molly about

1556
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Sirius the star Sirius that turned out

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to be noise you look into it but it's

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just a one-of-a-kind one-off weird thing

1559
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and that's it if I cross cultural

1560
01:08:21,309 --> 01:08:18,199
contamination sure when you're referring

1561
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to the Dogon borrowing an Egyptian yeah

1562
01:08:24,999 --> 01:08:22,940
it's supposed to have known that that

1563
01:08:27,370 --> 01:08:25,009
Sirius is a double star basically and

1564
01:08:29,799 --> 01:08:27,380
where did they get that well they got it

1565
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,809
from probably their people who have been

1566
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serving the French army since World War

1567
01:08:36,459 --> 01:08:34,400
one and some of them must have read in

1568
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:36,469
astronomy textbook or something there's

1569
01:08:40,780 --> 01:08:38,750
no real evidence that they they knew it

1570
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was a double star attention he and he

1571
01:08:46,329 --> 01:08:43,940
importance to it and and as I point out

1572
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:46,339
without fairly nice telescope it's

1573
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impossible pretty human high to separate

1574
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the two so it's it's not like the

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01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:55,040
cross-cultural contamination

1576
01:08:59,620 --> 01:08:57,199
there's plenty of other stuff speaking

1577
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of military topics like say there's a

1578
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Nelson Trafalgar he wrote a fairly in

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1805 he wrote a fairly detailed plan for

1580
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what he was going to do that day because

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he wanted him to protect to attack the

1582
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French fleet in a certain way based on

1583
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,159
groupings of the French ships and it was

1584
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:18,319
fairly precise about that we had no idea

1585
01:09:24,970 --> 01:09:22,130
why no idea why he was so precise until

1586
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:24,980
1916 when someone formulated what we now

1587
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:26,210
call the N squared law of mutual

1588
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attrition and when you take his memo for

1589
01:09:34,030 --> 01:09:32,270
the battle plan applied that he realized

1590
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he was using that law and it worked out

1591
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perfectly and he crushed the French

1592
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fleet that day when if he just sailed in

1593
01:09:43,539 --> 01:09:41,960
there with no plan I think probably lost

1594
01:09:45,579 --> 01:09:43,549
we don't know if that's what he was

1595
01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:45,589
using cubes killed that day but an eye /

1596
01:09:53,260 --> 01:09:50,060
but it fits perfectly but that was 111

1597
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years later so again we don't know where

1598
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it came from how he tell we knew that

1599
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but probably he spent a great deal of

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effort trying to figure out how to beat

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French you know what I mean he came up

1602
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with something that looks like the

1603
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insular laud mutual attrition it's a

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lucky guess or know he spent a great

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deal of time analyzing situation and

1606
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what he was going to do and the results

1607
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like look like the N squared law or

1608
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maybe he did formulate it himself

1609
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if so he didn't he didn't write this up

1610
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and leave with anybody we just don't

1611
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know of course he's right

1612
01:10:29,050 --> 01:10:27,230
maybe he would have well since we're on

1613
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the subject of navies how about the

1614
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humle the Huntley the submarine the

1615
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first submarine that was seem to be

1616
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impossibly ahead of its time to some to

1617
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some people yeah when you look at it

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appears to have been designed by a

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01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:46,100
modern engineer who knew what some may

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01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:48,170
not look like and not to do it's all

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01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:50,380
there all the ballast tanks the planes

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01:10:54,580 --> 01:10:54,110
everything you would put nowadays into a

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01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:54,590
submarine

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01:11:01,899 --> 01:10:58,280
if basically you had to we're stuck with

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01:11:03,610 --> 01:11:01,909
using muscle power and lighting with

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01:11:06,580 --> 01:11:03,620
candles which is not really the way to

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01:11:09,250 --> 01:11:06,590
do it but that's all they had and they

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01:11:10,810 --> 01:11:09,260
made it work if you ignore the factor

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01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:10,820
the same three times and round is cruel

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01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:14,060
each time but it's ignoring that

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01:11:19,930 --> 01:11:16,070
they got it to work it's a good example

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01:11:21,940 --> 01:11:19,940
not so much of a reverse anachronism but

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01:11:22,750 --> 01:11:21,950
of what I called the bleeding edge of

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01:11:25,210 --> 01:11:22,760
technology

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01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:25,220
there's the leading edge the early

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01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:27,650
adopters people really in on something

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01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:30,650
and the bleeding edge people really

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01:11:34,750 --> 01:11:32,060
shouldn't be trying and there's a way to

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01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:34,760
ahead themselves and this was a case of

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01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:37,070
that you know good engineers presumably

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01:11:40,750 --> 01:11:38,480
thinking parallel because they're doing

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01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:40,760
it's the same data the same problems the

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01:11:44,670 --> 01:11:42,950
same goals in the sort of people

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01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:44,680
involved in this had the same cold

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01:11:51,220 --> 01:11:48,470
modern submarine designer this had far

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01:11:53,230 --> 01:11:51,230
more limited resources and so it's

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01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:53,240
basically it's barely able to get to

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01:11:59,650 --> 01:11:58,070
work so I think it's a probably there's

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01:12:03,340 --> 01:11:59,660
a lesson there I think for all of us I

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:03,350
love doing this basic program or we just

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01:12:08,140 --> 01:12:06,410
you know Hunley up there I mean you

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01:12:10,450 --> 01:12:08,150
barely get this to work I mean we

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01:12:12,970 --> 01:12:10,460
shouldn't we shouldn't be expecting

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01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,980
whole lot from it and that was the case

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01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:14,960
here and it did manage to go out and get

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01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:17,510
three miles from shore and sink an enemy

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01:12:21,010 --> 01:12:19,010
warship one night and did not make it

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01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:21,020
back basically whenever they have cents

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01:12:23,950 --> 01:12:22,400
down the hall we're not sure what

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01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:23,960
happened to it there's no holes in the

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01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:29,420
ground but designed the design was so

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01:12:34,770 --> 01:12:31,250
far ahead of its time he had a conning

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01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:34,780
tower it had advanced propeller

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01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:41,630
mechanism torpedo of sorts I mean kind

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01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:45,530
of not not like we we would think of a

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01:12:50,890 --> 01:12:48,710
torpedo now that's that's a really good

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01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:50,900
example of leading-edge technology

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01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:52,550
another good example would be someone

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01:13:01,290 --> 01:12:54,680
like Nikola Tesla now I don't I don't

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01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:03,760
okay we get a scoop here at the pear

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01:13:08,020 --> 01:13:04,930
cast okay

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01:13:11,170 --> 01:13:08,030
you investigated Tesla I mean what do

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01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:11,180
you think of Nikola Tesla well I'm not

1674
01:13:16,150 --> 01:13:14,450
sure either he talked that he wanted to

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01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:16,160
do things that we still are not doing

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01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:19,520
was just a broadcast power not radio

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01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:21,980
signals but actual power so that you

1678
01:13:25,810 --> 01:13:23,780
don't plug in the light bulb he said it

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01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:25,820
there and his station from across town

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01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:28,110
or something would power

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:32,730
now and apparently work to some extent I

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01:13:36,170 --> 01:13:34,410
know such you're off safe it would be or

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01:13:38,690 --> 01:13:36,180
be considered nowadays but it was

1684
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:38,700
abandoned in his lifetime and I consider

1685
01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:41,010
I tend to think it was abandoned for

1686
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,840
good reason that it wasn't really as

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01:13:47,150 --> 01:13:44,880
practical as he said it was some of

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01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:47,160
stuff you know works mathematically and

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01:13:51,710 --> 01:13:50,280
when you were into the actual field it's

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01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:51,720
more trouble it's warfare something I

1691
01:13:58,670 --> 01:13:54,360
suspect we're into something like that

1692
01:14:01,760 --> 01:13:58,680
here he was both genius and madman he

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01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:01,770
was a very strange individual he was the

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01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:03,900
one who was had love affairs of pigeons

1695
01:14:12,290 --> 01:14:08,130
or something good by himself it's a long

1696
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,300
story anyway but yes what we he did

1697
01:14:16,210 --> 01:14:14,400
things that we still haven't really

1698
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,220
figured out what he was talking about

1699
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:18,540
that maybe because so it was hubris for

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01:14:23,690 --> 01:14:20,370
some of us over our heads or something

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01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:23,700
like that and I think just now people

1702
01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:25,380
are forgetting to revisit some of the

1703
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:26,430
things he didn't see it was really

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01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,090
fragile

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01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:28,800
what so you don't buy into the whole

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01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:30,900
theory that the US government stole all

1707
01:14:38,650 --> 01:14:35,340
his work somehow was responsible or at

1708
01:14:41,690 --> 01:14:38,660
least complicit in his death and that

1709
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:41,700
there's no secret space program or

1710
01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:43,620
secret weapons technology program with

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01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:46,310
scalar weapons creating earthquakes

1712
01:14:54,170 --> 01:14:48,770
steering the jet stream all these

1713
01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:54,180
wonderful HAARP atmospheric research

1714
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:56,520
program a lot of these conspiracy

1715
01:15:00,110 --> 01:14:58,650
theories and run across they have one

1716
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:00,120
thing in common which is a belief that

1717
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:01,530
the US government really knows what it's

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01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:02,930
doing

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01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:06,330
I don't see any other evidence for that

1720
01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:11,310
for the TJ's you say okay and I love

1721
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:13,980
them to be true at least you want to see

1722
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,260
then some evidence that the US

1723
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,000
government or any government can

1724
01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:21,360
possibly be efficient can be responsible

1725
01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:24,390
and actually know what they're doing

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the Brits call out of place in time and

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01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:29,790
space it rhymes Lamont wood is the guest

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with Jeanne and Chris you're in the para

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gas

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cycle Pete in other books when you're

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listening to the parrot cat so does the

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government know what it's doing and if

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so when and how and when is that gonna

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happen I've never seen a situation here

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01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:12,630
parenthetically speaking were fewer

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people than ever especially in this

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country accept anything the government

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does as evidence of competence LeMond

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would the book is called out of place in

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time and space with gene and Chris and

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the power Cass and that's another

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01:20:35,950 --> 01:20:32,970
question here with these anomalous

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01:20:39,020 --> 01:20:35,960
things going on do we see evidence that

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governments fifty a hundred a thousand

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01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:40,470
years ago that they knew what they were

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:42,780
doing no were they just as inefficient

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:45,210
they were just as efficient that they

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had occasionally took on impressive

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01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:51,180
projects that still mystified us but one

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01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:52,860
of the reason is mr. Vyas can't we can't

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01:20:56,570 --> 01:20:54,570
figure out why they did it there's no

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01:21:00,080 --> 01:20:56,580
obvious purpose and it except maybe to

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put somebody's name on it like the

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pyramid or whatever I mean yeah lend of

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01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:04,920
a bridge to nowhere right bridge to

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01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:06,420
nowhere exactly and a lot of these

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01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:08,970
things are that bridges to nowhere where

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01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:10,110
are we supposed to be impressed by this

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01:21:15,860 --> 01:21:13,050
I really don't think so they're nice

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01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:15,870
monuments but should we run out and

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01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:18,780
duplicate them no there we don't do

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01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:19,410
something useful

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I mean sake leader yeah some wacky

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dictator says I'm going to have a

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monument to me if it takes a hundred

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years to build I don't care right go

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ahead and do it otherwise he'll be

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whipped to death

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Gaddafi and is his canal system that's

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the state of the art world class and

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she'll be probably duplicated by other

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01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:42,630
countries around the world

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01:21:47,450 --> 01:21:45,510
the classic example okay well at least

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some of you things are probably make

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work programs you know I mean it kept

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people employed but and some of them

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probably at least a couple of them died

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using examples in here or at least

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assessable to the common man and we're

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pretty to look at the Parthenon for

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01:22:06,260 --> 01:22:04,020
instance I use

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as a building we really don't understand

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01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:08,700
has all these visual refinements in it

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01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:11,310
for one we could not duplicate nowadays

1888
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:13,770
to save our lives until we don't know

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01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:15,960
why they did it it appears to be have

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01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:18,210
been designed so that a person standing

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01:22:21,650 --> 01:22:19,500
in front of it viewing through his

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01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:21,660
curved eyeball would perceive it as

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01:22:26,270 --> 01:22:24,090
being perfectly rectilinear why was that

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01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,280
important had they built it to be

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01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:28,080
actually rectilinear like we do nowadays

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01:22:32,180 --> 01:22:30,510
it wouldn't look that much different

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01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:32,190
most of these refinements you only find

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01:22:36,620 --> 01:22:35,130
us careful measurements but they manage

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01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:36,630
to get it in there and it's now thought

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01:22:41,660 --> 01:22:39,690
that not one single building stone

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01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:41,670
anything that's actually rectilinear

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01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:43,830
straight angles it's they've all been

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01:22:47,620 --> 01:22:45,930
carefully sculpted that's part of this

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01:22:52,460 --> 01:22:47,630
master plan is an optical illusion

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01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:52,470
what's the point you know and we really

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01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,460
don't know how they did that we could

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01:22:56,660 --> 01:22:54,960
guess you know they did polish each

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01:22:58,970 --> 01:22:56,670
stone very carefully we know the Greeks

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01:23:01,850 --> 01:22:58,980
are heavily into geometry and this must

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01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:01,860
have taken all our skills but again why

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01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:04,440
do that again great make-work project I

1912
01:23:09,890 --> 01:23:07,320
guess those geometrician down there and

1913
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:09,900
put them to work they had all these

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01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:12,330
unemployed peasants and they had to give

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01:23:16,670 --> 01:23:14,730
them some employment put them on the

1916
01:23:20,450 --> 01:23:16,680
government dough and all that stuff

1917
01:23:22,610 --> 01:23:20,460
and all those geometrician you know but

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01:23:24,020 --> 01:23:22,620
why do we want to believe that there was

1919
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:24,030
some kind of interaction with an

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01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:28,650
advanced civilization why well that's a

1921
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:30,120
relation would have use trigonometry to

1922
01:23:33,530 --> 01:23:31,620
do the same thing you probably got

1923
01:23:37,220 --> 01:23:33,540
different results no I'm saying they use

1924
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:37,230
their calculators right and the other

1925
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:38,760
thing is why would an advanced

1926
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:41,010
civilization care why would anyone care

1927
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,580
why do they care has no purpose that we

1928
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:46,560
can figure out except when you're

1929
01:23:53,450 --> 01:23:49,290
standing in front of it and so you give

1930
01:23:57,170 --> 01:23:53,460
you some idea of perfection I guess that

1931
01:24:00,170 --> 01:23:57,180
was their idea of it and compress the

1932
01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:00,180
God somehow no I think the gods that

1933
01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:02,070
were talking about were the ones and

1934
01:24:07,580 --> 01:24:06,270
they're only in heaven and not the or

1935
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:07,590
not we don't know they never explained

1936
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:10,530
themselves and this is from you know

1937
01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:13,380
historic times documented eras a period

1938
01:24:16,140 --> 01:24:14,910
of time when we have people writing

1939
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,150
memoirs in history

1940
01:24:21,209 --> 01:24:18,400
all staff and they do not explain it how

1941
01:24:23,370 --> 01:24:21,219
far back can we go with some of these

1942
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:23,380
anomalous artifacts at least under

1943
01:24:28,919 --> 01:24:26,320
research the first the oldest one I came

1944
01:24:31,709 --> 01:24:28,929
across apparently is a sense which you

1945
01:24:33,930 --> 01:24:31,719
think would be explained and documented

1946
01:24:35,250 --> 01:24:33,940
everyone knows what it is sirs I

1947
01:24:37,709 --> 01:24:35,260
actually know we don't know what what's

1948
01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:37,719
going on explain this in more detail for

1949
01:24:42,270 --> 01:24:39,550
our listeners okay well the thing sits

1950
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:42,280
on the edge of the Giza Plateau

1951
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:44,710
by the Nile the Giza Plateau is a place

1952
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:47,830
where the all the pyramids and quite a

1953
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:49,690
few other tombs are located that

1954
01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:53,290
pharaohs built now most leaves to Karam

1955
01:25:00,090 --> 01:24:55,960
etcetera are fairly easy to date because

1956
01:25:02,189 --> 01:25:00,100
they got the guy's name on it and these

1957
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,199
things were built cheek and jowl around

1958
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:04,719
the Sphinx in a way that suggests that

1959
01:25:09,810 --> 01:25:06,250
the Sphinx was there first they had to

1960
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:09,820
build around it okay these are the newer

1961
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:12,370
things with dated dateable things you

1962
01:25:18,180 --> 01:25:16,270
can still see chisel marks on them the

1963
01:25:21,780 --> 01:25:18,190
the rainfall there is only about an inch

1964
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:21,790
a year but the Sphinx itself when you

1965
01:25:26,820 --> 01:25:23,890
look at it you find obvious signs of

1966
01:25:28,169 --> 01:25:26,830
water erosion yet like say the the

1967
01:25:30,450 --> 01:25:28,179
monuments around that show no water

1968
01:25:32,220 --> 01:25:30,460
erosion we presume it so you have to

1969
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:32,230
presume it's actually much older than

1970
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:34,330
the monuments around it how much older

1971
01:25:37,979 --> 01:25:36,489
well the last time there were

1972
01:25:40,410 --> 01:25:37,989
significant rain there was during the

1973
01:25:43,950 --> 01:25:40,420
last ice age and that puts puts us back

1974
01:25:45,959 --> 01:25:43,960
to like 7,000 BC which is kind of odd

1975
01:25:48,689 --> 01:25:45,969
because then who did built it did that

1976
01:25:50,939 --> 01:25:48,699
require some culture living there at the

1977
01:25:52,919 --> 01:25:50,949
time that can handle heavy masonry

1978
01:25:55,260 --> 01:25:52,929
construction it didn't build anything

1979
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:55,270
else and or leave any other artifacts

1980
01:25:58,910 --> 01:25:57,250
not a single tune not a single piece of

1981
01:26:02,340 --> 01:25:58,920
pottery

1982
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:02,350
so that's mystifying we we don't know

1983
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:04,449
how to seed there now there people took

1984
01:26:07,890 --> 01:26:06,159
a middle ground saying well during all

1985
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:07,900
the construction when the pharaohs were

1986
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:12,010
so busy maybe the runoff got really

1987
01:26:17,220 --> 01:26:13,840
screwy and it all flowed toward the

1988
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:17,230
Sphinx and that may in fact be true but

1989
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:18,960
they still think there's just too much

1990
01:26:24,959 --> 01:26:21,070
water erosion there to account for that

1991
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:24,969
so this is another one where I don't

1992
01:26:28,890 --> 01:26:28,570
really tend to explain it I just say

1993
01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:28,900
that

1994
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:31,660
business controversy and everything you

1995
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:34,630
know we thought we knew about the Sphinx

1996
01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:37,510
is in fact conjecture we don't really

1997
01:26:44,570 --> 01:26:42,190
know who built it why fairly oh how yes

1998
01:26:47,340 --> 01:26:44,580
I don't know who build it why and when

1999
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:47,350
that's nested the oldest most mystifying

2000
01:26:52,230 --> 01:26:50,770
painting a book can believe really so

2001
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:52,240
that that would be your that would be

2002
01:27:00,150 --> 01:26:55,810
your vote for the most enigmatic of all

2003
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:00,160
the ancient yeah cross so far anyway now

2004
01:27:05,070 --> 01:27:02,350
of course there's two pyramids next door

2005
01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:05,080
but we know who built them and and when

2006
01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:06,940
we don't know why I keep running across

2007
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:11,910
these people talking about how the the

2008
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:15,760
measurements are used in making the

2009
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:18,880
pyramids how precise they were and how

2010
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:20,320
good the surveying was at cetera et

2011
01:27:26,850 --> 01:27:23,410
cetera and how this makes a mystery or

2012
01:27:29,420 --> 01:27:26,860
something and I have to point out the

2013
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:29,430
shipyard I worked in 40 years ago a

2014
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,050
previous lifetime the ship fillers were

2015
01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:34,960
required to be accurate within 1/32 of

2016
01:27:42,060 --> 01:27:37,990
an inch and the biggest tool I saw them

2017
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:42,070
using was string that was covered with

2018
01:27:46,980 --> 01:27:45,280
powdered chalk when you take 100 string

2019
01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:46,990
holder over one point and you take the

2020
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,980
other end of the string hole over

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01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:49,840
another point stretch it tight and then

2022
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:51,790
you'll blink and it leaves a nice little

2023
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:53,500
line between the two holes between the

2024
01:28:00,630 --> 01:27:57,280
two points and and with that they were

2025
01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:00,640
able to maintain XT and 1/32 inch of

2026
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:02,620
course had you know measuring stick so

2027
01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:05,050
all those stuff but lasers and all I

2028
01:28:07,620 --> 01:28:06,040
don't remember anything

2029
01:28:10,260 --> 01:28:07,630
obstacle instruments and I don't really

2030
01:28:13,410 --> 01:28:10,270
remember that either it was all human

2031
01:28:16,590 --> 01:28:13,420
eyeball stuff and they got to us in one

2032
01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:16,600
likes like 1/32 of an inch I'm pretty

2033
01:28:18,330 --> 01:28:17,740
sure the pharaohs had that same

2034
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:18,340
technology

2035
01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:22,170
what's at aunts training and stuff and

2036
01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:24,670
last measurements I ever saw on the

2037
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:26,350
Great Pyramid it was at the base was

2038
01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:29,200
like 750 feet long or so and they were

2039
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:31,960
accurate to a fin 50 millimeters which

2040
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:34,000
sounds impressive but in a shipyard that

2041
01:28:37,740 --> 01:28:35,410
would not have been permissible that

2042
01:28:41,250 --> 01:28:37,750
ship would have floated you had to be

2043
01:28:41,980 --> 01:28:41,260
like say 1/32 of an inch and that's only

2044
01:28:45,250 --> 01:28:41,990
about two

2045
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:45,260
three millimeters so I'd like to say

2046
01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:49,330
these innate eyeballs for most of it so

2047
01:28:54,610 --> 01:28:52,310
I really think that D it construction

2048
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,620
and pyramid shows the kind of accuracy

2049
01:28:58,810 --> 01:28:56,560
that you would you would expect

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considering to have a bunch of guys out

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there in the desert using tom strings so

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are you following me so far yeah

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absolutely what I used to used a string

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line many times right right and it works

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well and do it right takes a little

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practice takes three people rather than

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you know one person for losers

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Coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the podcast back

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with Jeanne and Chris with Lamont Wood

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01:34:06,569 --> 01:34:03,010
we're talking about his book out of

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01:34:09,060 --> 01:34:06,579
place in time and space about inventions

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01:34:13,370 --> 01:34:09,070
beliefs and artistic anomalies that were

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01:34:15,810 --> 01:34:13,380
impossibly ahead of their time now

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01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:15,820
everything you tell me so far there one

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01:34:21,569 --> 01:34:18,369
off two offs they're things that

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01:34:23,729 --> 01:34:21,579
happened and didn't happen again so we

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01:34:28,979 --> 01:34:23,739
forgot about pyramids after we built a

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01:34:31,979 --> 01:34:28,989
few right now a different theme there

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01:34:33,149 --> 01:34:31,989
the Pantheon in the realm and it covers

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01:34:35,580 --> 01:34:33,159
a couple of themes we were talking about

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01:34:40,129 --> 01:34:35,590
about ancient buildings we don't

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understand mysteries and but also about

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01:34:45,410 --> 01:34:43,570
technology that was once known and a

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01:34:51,660 --> 01:34:45,420
band and then rediscovered oddly enough

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01:34:54,359 --> 01:34:51,670
concrete anyone never even breathes into

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01:34:57,029 --> 01:34:54,369
the history of that too prosaic I think

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01:34:58,739 --> 01:34:57,039
for most people to follow but Jesus Lee

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01:35:01,830 --> 01:34:58,749
depicted as being part and parcel with

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the Industrial Revolution mostly for

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01:35:05,850 --> 01:35:04,119
financial reasons lifting just a

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01:35:08,069 --> 01:35:05,860
revolution they had the kind of

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accumulation of capital that could

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successfully demand he accelerated

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01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:13,869
construction of large buildings and well

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01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:15,610
that you really needed concrete and we

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can trace it back to a British patent

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issued in 1799 and it's all true and as

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you know nothing wrong with that story

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and then you go back to ancient Roman

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01:35:29,459 --> 01:35:26,260
authorities buildings made out of

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01:35:31,290 --> 01:35:29,469
concrete just a lodge but again during

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01:35:33,929 --> 01:35:31,300
the Roman Empire they had two kinds of

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01:35:35,819 --> 01:35:33,939
cumulation capital that could

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01:35:38,339 --> 01:35:35,829
successfully demand large buildings be

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01:35:41,850 --> 01:35:38,349
erected quickly instead of relying on

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quarried stone in pre-scientific times

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you the only thing to do was quarry the

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01:35:46,799 --> 01:35:44,860
stone and let it sit out for about two

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01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:46,809
years and see if it's crumbled or not if

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01:35:50,009 --> 01:35:48,130
it didn't crumble then you would use it

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01:35:53,549 --> 01:35:50,019
so obviously you couldn't have any kind

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01:35:55,259 --> 01:35:53,559
of accelerated building space but with

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concrete you know your poorest off and

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01:36:00,660 --> 01:35:56,889
you're done you know what it takes about

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01:36:02,380 --> 01:36:00,670
a month to set and harden completely and

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01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:02,390
then you're ready to go and you can

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use forms to get in any shape to one

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concrete is made by taking limestone and

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01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:10,790
he until crumbles the road apparently

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01:36:16,590 --> 01:36:13,670
had access to scenes of limestone that

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had been heated in by volcanic activity

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and so they got the same effect and in

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01:36:25,060 --> 01:36:22,970
modern Rome also there's a thing called

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01:36:29,980 --> 01:36:25,070
Pantheon which is the largest

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freestanding concrete dome in the world

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as a freestanding rotunda there's

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01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,370
rotunda nowadays it would be like the

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01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:35,840
Capitol building there's offices on the

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01:36:39,340 --> 01:36:37,850
other side of it then the Rotunda is in

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01:36:41,020 --> 01:36:39,350
the middle and give us some dignity to

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01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:41,030
otherwise just sterile collection of

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01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:43,850
offices in this case is just the rotunda

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01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:46,420
itself I don't know why it's there

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01:36:53,110 --> 01:36:48,410
except just to have a huge building

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01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:53,120
apparently we would not dare builds two

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01:36:59,020 --> 01:36:56,420
things nowadays without rebar but they

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01:37:01,630 --> 01:36:59,030
were clever and got by fout it and use

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01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:01,640
like large marble fragment very thick

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01:37:04,660 --> 01:37:03,290
walls what became thinner and thinner at

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01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:04,670
the top they were using like Thomas or

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01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,450
something so far so good but then we

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01:37:13,930 --> 01:37:10,880
have to again going back to the theme of

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01:37:18,580 --> 01:37:13,940
complete mystery so why they built it

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01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:18,590
usually described as a temple but Roman

2228
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:21,170
temples were built with different

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01:37:26,650 --> 01:37:24,710
purposes in mind and usually had rooms

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01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:26,660
devoted to particular purposes including

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01:37:32,110 --> 01:37:29,810
the inner sanctum and rooms around that

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01:37:34,990 --> 01:37:32,120
it usually faced the Rising Sun for

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instance the Pantheon has one door it

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01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:37,640
faces the north there's no space inside

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01:37:42,820 --> 01:37:39,410
of it for inner sanctum it's all this

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01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:42,830
one open rotunda the big open space

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01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:45,440
round space in the middle we can't see

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that Evert it ever contained anything

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01:37:52,270 --> 01:37:50,570
there is a inscription in front of it

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instead of a dedication as you would

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expect from a Roman temple it's a credit

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01:38:00,820 --> 01:37:57,380
line and credits to its construction to

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01:38:02,170 --> 01:38:00,830
someone who died in 12 BC which is

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01:38:04,270 --> 01:38:02,180
because we know the building was

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01:38:06,700 --> 01:38:04,280
constructed in 126 ad it was just hard

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01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:06,710
even 30 years later so yet the

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01:38:11,710 --> 01:38:10,340
inscription is wrong so we don't know

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01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:11,720
what's going on with this building we

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01:38:16,299 --> 01:38:14,000
all know who built it why we kind of

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01:38:17,799 --> 01:38:16,309
know how it's using a technology we

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01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,809
we thought we invented but it turns out

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01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:20,239
they knew all about it and Republican in

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01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:24,639
an inferior realm so again we have

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01:38:29,619 --> 01:38:27,369
something how to play it sometimes faith

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01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:29,629
speaking of temples let's talk about

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01:38:35,409 --> 01:38:33,199
Baalbek for a minute and the the trial

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01:38:38,529 --> 01:38:35,419
of thorn stones the three stones that

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01:38:42,129 --> 01:38:38,539
make up the podium each one is in excess

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01:38:44,739 --> 01:38:42,139
of 800 tons right now some engineers

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01:38:46,389 --> 01:38:44,749
have kind of said today that we would

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01:38:50,699 --> 01:38:46,399
have a very difficult if not impossible

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01:38:53,579 --> 01:38:50,709
time actually Corinne healing and

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01:38:57,250 --> 01:38:53,589
transporting and setting in place these

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01:39:00,369 --> 01:38:57,260
particular huge monoliths do you think

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01:39:02,349 --> 01:39:00,379
that they had some sort of advanced

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01:39:06,099 --> 01:39:02,359
technology that allowed them to do this

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01:39:08,969 --> 01:39:06,109
how could just sheer muscle power have

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01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:08,979
first of all quarried hewn and then

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01:39:13,449 --> 01:39:11,209
transported and set in place these

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01:39:16,540 --> 01:39:13,459
particular stones you don't mention this

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01:39:18,729 --> 01:39:16,550
in your book well coring and hewing is

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01:39:21,699 --> 01:39:18,739
not that demanding if you have enough

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01:39:23,919 --> 01:39:21,709
people involved you drill round holes

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01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:23,929
and you put wooden wedges in and you

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01:39:28,809 --> 01:39:26,510
soak the wedges and you bang on the

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01:39:31,509 --> 01:39:28,819
stone between the holes as the wedges

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01:39:33,309 --> 01:39:31,519
expand and crack the thing and that gets

2278
01:39:35,919 --> 01:39:33,319
you started basically and you don't need

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01:39:37,899 --> 01:39:35,929
fancy tools the thing would be getting

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01:39:39,759 --> 01:39:37,909
it there especially getting it there

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01:39:41,829 --> 01:39:39,769
about breaking it and if you haven't had

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01:39:45,069 --> 01:39:41,839
enough people involved I'm quite sure

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01:39:47,429 --> 01:39:45,079
you could and and it's just again if

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01:39:51,009 --> 01:39:47,439
this was a some kind of make or program

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01:39:52,989 --> 01:39:51,019
the more the merrier and that still

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01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:52,999
implies efficiency you're going to get

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01:39:58,239 --> 01:39:54,649
hundreds of thousands of people together

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01:39:59,949 --> 01:39:58,249
on a project that's gonna take what

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01:40:04,029 --> 01:39:59,959
decades to finish

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01:40:05,709 --> 01:40:04,039
perhaps oh yeah it took twenty years the

2291
01:40:07,899 --> 01:40:05,719
pyramids had a like twenty thousand

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01:40:11,049 --> 01:40:07,909
people working on them at a time it took

2293
01:40:14,979 --> 01:40:11,059
like 20 years to build and that didn't

2294
01:40:17,079 --> 01:40:14,989
seem to have been an issue talking about

2295
01:40:20,579 --> 01:40:17,089
whoa one two three tons stones we're

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01:40:24,489 --> 01:40:20,589
talking almost a thousand ton blocks

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01:40:26,049 --> 01:40:24,499
well remember the pyramid like totally

2298
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:26,059
about five million tons worth of stone

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01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:28,510
so and there were

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01:40:36,030 --> 01:40:30,730
individual blocks inside of it they were

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01:40:40,230 --> 01:40:36,040
up to a hundred tons so we couldn't even

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01:40:43,410 --> 01:40:40,240
lift a thousand ton stone today perhaps

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01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:43,420
perhaps not I I really don't know but I

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01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:46,300
suspect they they must have found

2305
01:40:49,260 --> 01:40:47,410
someone to do it because there it is I

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01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:49,270
mean I'm going back to Occam's razor

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01:40:58,440 --> 01:40:55,210
here again if you have enough wedges and

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01:41:01,050 --> 01:40:58,450
enough people involved and keep in mind

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01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:01,060
to the thing isn't you don't finish it

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01:41:05,210 --> 01:41:02,560
until you get there so you leave knobs

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01:41:08,570 --> 01:41:05,220
on it's for attaching ropes and things

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01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:08,580
so there's all sorts of tricks it's on

2313
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:11,410
but must you always assume there's a

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01:41:17,010 --> 01:41:14,890
simple explanation or as simple as you

2315
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:17,020
can imagine for the period of time with

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01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:18,730
this happen uncle akhom would say that

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01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:22,090
yeah demand that I do so and I'm gonna

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01:41:29,580 --> 01:41:25,890
stick with him because I'm always right

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01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:29,590
no sometimes he's wrong and but if you

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01:41:32,730 --> 01:41:30,850
want to invoke you know

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01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:32,740
extraterrestrials or something anything

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01:41:35,940 --> 01:41:34,360
that's fine I'm not saying that I'm not

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01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:35,950
saying that I'm not saying it has to be

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01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:39,850
et I'm just saying is we're trying to

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01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:42,010
craft an explanation that allows for the

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01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:44,890
technology that we know about okay we

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01:41:51,090 --> 01:41:47,920
knew possibly exists in their time we're

2328
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:51,100
imagining efficient construction

2329
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:53,650
companies efficient governments to

2330
01:41:59,220 --> 01:41:56,080
manage a project it takes 20 years to

2331
01:42:01,850 --> 01:41:59,230
finish well aren't we stretching a

2332
01:42:03,740 --> 01:42:01,860
little bit here an efficient government

2333
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:03,750
[Laughter]

2334
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:05,530
this was true but yeah I remember

2335
01:42:10,770 --> 01:42:07,090
sitting here we don't really know the

2336
01:42:13,860 --> 01:42:10,780
technology they're using when I ran

2337
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,870
across the fact that though here I where

2338
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:15,280
I live in San Antonio during the 20s

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01:42:19,260 --> 01:42:16,930
they loose and buildings have a

2340
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:19,270
floodplain and very carefully in

2341
01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:22,930
position without anyone really there

2342
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:24,340
were people I was still inside the

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01:42:29,940 --> 01:42:26,650
buildings working didn't being the 27th

2344
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,950
use many utilities and what they did is

2345
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:31,840
they put them on large blocks of ice and

2346
01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:33,850
slid the ice into the new location along

2347
01:42:41,850 --> 01:42:39,880
these ax pathways they built so that

2348
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:41,860
technology more advanced than what was

2349
01:42:45,060 --> 01:42:42,250
used

2350
01:42:49,470 --> 01:42:45,070
and not much really I bet they had

2351
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:49,480
access to ice too so in Lebanon

2352
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:53,650
yes it's called winter you bet and so

2353
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:55,690
what I'm saying is just all sorts of

2354
01:43:01,260 --> 01:42:57,970
things they could have done and in

2355
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:01,270
combinations are those things just

2356
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:03,250
sitting here we we can't really probe

2357
01:43:08,730 --> 01:43:06,610
them all or assess them all so I think

2358
01:43:10,050 --> 01:43:08,740
uncle Wacom would again demanded we

2359
01:43:13,740 --> 01:43:10,060
assumed that they figured out some way

2360
01:43:16,230 --> 01:43:13,750
to do it based in fact it is there you

2361
01:43:18,990 --> 01:43:16,240
know etc yeah are you familiar with the

2362
01:43:21,150 --> 01:43:19,000
work of Christopher Dunn who is travel

2363
01:43:26,430 --> 01:43:21,160
around megalithic sites all around the

2364
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:26,440
world and has he's I think in a very

2365
01:43:31,970 --> 01:43:28,810
convincing way come up with evidence

2366
01:43:35,130 --> 01:43:31,980
that it seems that ancient megalithic

2367
01:43:38,270 --> 01:43:35,140
builders had some sort of power tools

2368
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:38,280
where they were able to actually create

2369
01:43:47,490 --> 01:43:41,610
impossibly perfect straight line cuts

2370
01:43:50,670 --> 01:43:47,500
even cuts on a curve that would suggest

2371
01:43:54,570 --> 01:43:50,680
that they had technology that we don't

2372
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:54,580
normally assume Uncle akhom side that we

2373
01:44:01,530 --> 01:43:57,690
don't normally assume that they had also

2374
01:44:04,590 --> 01:44:01,540
evidence of the possibility of egyptians

2375
01:44:09,260 --> 01:44:04,600
having electric lights for instance to

2376
01:44:11,790 --> 01:44:09,270
to work in very dark underground

2377
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:11,800
construction sites I'll tell you why

2378
01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:13,570
Chris the lights will be turned off if

2379
01:44:20,370 --> 01:44:15,400
we don't do this we're talking to Lamont

2380
01:44:24,230 --> 01:44:20,380
Wood with Gene and Chris son that was

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to understand the system call 866 2 2 3

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01:45:42,899 --> 01:45:36,230
7 that's 800 686 to 237

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01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:46,870
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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01:45:59,770 --> 01:45:51,730
standard of paranormal radio and now

2417
01:46:01,450 --> 01:45:59,780
here's Jane Steinberg we're back final

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01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:01,460
hour of the power cast with Gene and

2419
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:04,610
Chris the lights are on again we're

2420
01:46:08,410 --> 01:46:06,170
talking to Lamont wood and the

2421
01:46:11,260 --> 01:46:08,420
suggestion made here are there

2422
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:11,270
indications that they had techniques and

2423
01:46:16,359 --> 01:46:14,329
technology that's beyond what we would

2424
01:46:17,890 --> 01:46:16,369
have expected because when we talk about

2425
01:46:19,959 --> 01:46:17,900
the pyramids we're not looking for

2426
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:19,969
advanced technology we're simply taking

2427
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:23,510
what we knew about ancient Egypt and

2428
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:26,510
imagining them using that technique or

2429
01:46:32,799 --> 01:46:29,770
those techniques to build the pyramids

2430
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:32,809
well it's not necessary that they had

2431
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:34,639
electricity especially in the pyramids

2432
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:37,070
and you don't see any evidence of wires

2433
01:46:42,129 --> 01:46:40,480
and motors etc now you do see occasional

2434
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:42,139
depictions of things that look like

2435
01:46:48,129 --> 01:46:46,000
light bulbs the most convincing one is

2436
01:46:50,410 --> 01:46:48,139
the pictures I've seen her rather

2437
01:46:54,939 --> 01:46:50,420
convincing on one side it does look like

2438
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,949
a neon bulb that gets kind of bulbous on

2439
01:46:58,209 --> 01:46:56,480
the other side you notice it comes out

2440
01:47:00,430 --> 01:46:58,219
of someone's loin cloth you know may

2441
01:47:03,790 --> 01:47:00,440
have to admit that we're not talking

2442
01:47:05,799 --> 01:47:03,800
about a light bulb here but again if

2443
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:05,809
they had electricity I'm loving them to

2444
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:07,730
have done so but I think they had the

2445
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:13,040
lower lamps and squint a blonde so where

2446
01:47:16,510 --> 01:47:14,510
the wires were a motive where the

2447
01:47:19,839 --> 01:47:16,520
batteries understood but again we're

2448
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:19,849
saying here the pyramid is not out of

2449
01:47:25,810 --> 01:47:22,880
place in time and space no I think the

2450
01:47:29,770 --> 01:47:25,820
pyramid is a huge monument to some of

2451
01:47:33,549 --> 01:47:29,780
ego and they used available techniques

2452
01:47:34,780 --> 01:47:33,559
to do it it may have been on the edge of

2453
01:47:37,540 --> 01:47:34,790
what they could do but then I should do

2454
01:47:39,339 --> 01:47:37,550
it well in researching this book did you

2455
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,349
find other evidence of things that may

2456
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:41,840
on the surface have seemed to be out of

2457
01:47:46,290 --> 01:47:44,090
place in time and space but actually

2458
01:47:49,689 --> 01:47:46,300
we're pretty consistent with the times

2459
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:49,699
well the big thing there and I want to

2460
01:47:52,510 --> 01:47:51,170
talk about it often some people I feel

2461
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:52,520
like I'm at a children's party popping

2462
01:47:58,450 --> 01:47:55,489
balloons would be the depiction so

2463
01:48:01,479 --> 01:47:58,460
depiction of UFOs in Renaissance and

2464
01:48:03,700 --> 01:48:01,489
medieval church art and the example that

2465
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:03,710
have looked into which number of people

2466
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:06,650
that see it spawn I have to point out

2467
01:48:13,660 --> 01:48:10,610
that in all cases the painting was

2468
01:48:16,989 --> 01:48:13,670
following the contemporary sort of

2469
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:16,999
visual vocabulary of how to depict the

2470
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:18,650
divine presence or something or

2471
01:48:23,379 --> 01:48:21,920
something similar and if they're all

2472
01:48:27,279 --> 01:48:23,389
working from the same script it's called

2473
01:48:30,220 --> 01:48:27,289
the Bible you know the the best example

2474
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:30,230
would be that monastery in Kosovo or

2475
01:48:35,020 --> 01:48:32,570
they have a crucifixion scene on either

2476
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:35,030
side of the crucifix of the Cross there

2477
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:37,280
appears to be these flying machines

2478
01:48:43,810 --> 01:48:41,090
looking vaguely like Apollo capsules in

2479
01:48:46,509 --> 01:48:43,820
the early sixties not apollo mercury

2480
01:48:50,589 --> 01:48:46,519
capsules one person mercury capsules as

2481
01:48:56,169 --> 01:48:50,599
if they were drawn by some not very

2482
01:48:57,069 --> 01:48:56,179
skilled folk artist and if you look at

2483
01:48:59,799 --> 01:48:57,079
it that way yeah let's kind of

2484
01:49:02,979 --> 01:48:59,809
convincing could be someone tend to draw

2485
01:49:06,910 --> 01:49:02,989
a mercury capsule which is odd these

2486
01:49:08,830 --> 01:49:06,920
things are paintings made in 1350 but

2487
01:49:12,540 --> 01:49:08,840
then you look at it some more and we

2488
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:12,550
also have to look into like Byzantine

2489
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:15,440
iconographic traditions which are rather

2490
01:49:21,459 --> 01:49:18,530
well established in this case what you

2491
01:49:23,470 --> 01:49:21,469
have is one of the flying things is red

2492
01:49:25,660 --> 01:49:23,480
and has a male face and moving toward

2493
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:25,670
the cross and the other silver and have

2494
01:49:30,370 --> 01:49:27,440
female face and moving away from the

2495
01:49:32,609 --> 01:49:30,380
cross and the red one is the B the Sun

2496
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:32,619
and silver one would be the moon and

2497
01:49:40,569 --> 01:49:36,320
they're trying to illustrate the fact

2498
01:49:42,370 --> 01:49:40,579
that three of the Gospels say that it

2499
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,380
was dark that the date of crucifixion

2500
01:49:45,700 --> 01:49:44,239
from noon to 3 p.m. so you have to have

2501
01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:45,710
something in there to indicate slight

2502
01:49:50,649 --> 01:49:48,590
conditions are changing so this this is

2503
01:49:53,229 --> 01:49:50,659
a standard way of doing it and this is

2504
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:53,239
hardly the only fiction visiting

2505
01:49:58,419 --> 01:49:55,239
depiction of crucifixion it shows

2506
01:50:00,520 --> 01:49:58,429
something red and male and moving one

2507
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:00,530
way silver and female moving the other

2508
01:50:07,330 --> 01:50:02,570
way that was the way they handled that

2509
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,340
problem so it was in the 1960s if people

2510
01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:09,119
started pointing out that calling you

2511
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:11,340
UFOs and you know discovering in all

2512
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:15,210
stuff and that was again when the

2513
01:50:19,370 --> 01:50:16,800
mercury program was in all the

2514
01:50:23,209 --> 01:50:19,380
newspapers so I think it basically

2515
01:50:25,220 --> 01:50:23,219
expected exception of this but it goes

2516
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:25,230
of the the other so-called UFO

2517
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:28,530
depictions I've found in each case you

2518
01:50:35,149 --> 01:50:32,000
can pretty much assign it to existing

2519
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:35,159
church traditions it's a basically we're

2520
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:37,800
taking our modern visual vocabulary and

2521
01:50:41,629 --> 01:50:39,690
imposing it on people who had their own

2522
01:50:44,689 --> 01:50:41,639
and it's probably rather rich

2523
01:50:48,169 --> 01:50:44,699
well-defined one surely that doesn't

2524
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:48,179
mean then that they can't apply because

2525
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:52,050
if you lived you know in the era of two

2526
01:50:55,939 --> 01:50:54,210
or three thousand years ago and you

2527
01:50:59,560 --> 01:50:55,949
observe something that today we would

2528
01:51:02,570 --> 01:50:59,570
identify as et or advanced aircraft

2529
01:51:02,990 --> 01:51:02,580
that's how they talk about it right of

2530
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:03,000
course

2531
01:51:08,570 --> 01:51:05,010
then you have to say okay what is it

2532
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:08,580
what are as Eagles wheels yeah right I'm

2533
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:12,719
not saying that I'm these things can't

2534
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:19,770
exist I'm sorry I don't mean to

2535
01:51:25,820 --> 01:51:21,780
interrupt but since we're on the subject

2536
01:51:28,879 --> 01:51:25,830
of religious iconography I think that's

2537
01:51:32,689 --> 01:51:28,889
the term what about the Mahabharata and

2538
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:32,699
you know very detailed descriptions of

2539
01:51:37,790 --> 01:51:35,610
Vimanas flying vehicles that supposedly

2540
01:51:40,970 --> 01:51:37,800
existed in ancient India I mean how did

2541
01:51:43,339 --> 01:51:40,980
how do we explain that that that I don't

2542
01:51:46,820 --> 01:51:43,349
see any mention in your book of of the

2543
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,830
Vimanas and in the one suppose that city

2544
01:51:50,689 --> 01:51:48,719
that was destroyed by some sort of

2545
01:51:54,050 --> 01:51:50,699
nuclear type event where you have a

2546
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:54,060
whole plane of melted glass I mean there

2547
01:52:01,850 --> 01:51:57,449
there are examples of out of place and

2548
01:52:05,709 --> 01:52:01,860
out of time machines and events in this

2549
01:52:09,140 --> 01:52:05,719
case in India where we can't really

2550
01:52:11,390 --> 01:52:09,150
reconcile you know ancient descriptions

2551
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:11,400
of flying vehicles and instructions on

2552
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,530
how to build them even in the

2553
01:52:18,859 --> 01:52:16,560
Mahabharata well my reaction to that is

2554
01:52:21,890 --> 01:52:18,869
similar to my reaction to the space

2555
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:21,900
warfare scenes in the first version Star

2556
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:22,690
Wars

2557
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:24,970
and there's nothing around there and

2558
01:52:28,170 --> 01:52:25,930
they're shooting at each other and

2559
01:52:29,610 --> 01:52:28,180
stuffing in an orbital velocity that

2560
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:29,620
wouldn't work you wouldn't be close to

2561
01:52:32,370 --> 01:52:30,690
each other

2562
01:52:37,590 --> 01:52:32,380
accelerating like that would kill you

2563
01:52:40,050 --> 01:52:37,600
now at number hop oh but they're there

2564
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,060
again it's very visual it would be very

2565
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:42,880
exciting to watch but I don't think is

2566
01:52:49,650 --> 01:52:46,810
realistic as I get someone's imagination

2567
01:52:53,820 --> 01:52:49,660
at work just as it was in the Star Wars

2568
01:52:58,580 --> 01:52:53,830
movie so I may sound dismiss it but that

2569
01:53:02,130 --> 01:52:58,590
this well it's uncle ah come again yeah

2570
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:02,140
well the whole idea of Vimanas and you

2571
01:53:08,010 --> 01:53:05,110
know McCann even go down and look at

2572
01:53:11,070 --> 01:53:08,020
Solomon and flying carpets and you know

2573
01:53:13,950 --> 01:53:11,080
I mean there's other examples from you

2574
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:13,960
know religious texts that indicate that

2575
01:53:19,770 --> 01:53:15,850
there was a level of high technology

2576
01:53:23,550 --> 01:53:19,780
that ancient peoples somehow had access

2577
01:53:25,710 --> 01:53:23,560
to but some sort of evidence of that in

2578
01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:25,720
terms of empirical scientific evidence

2579
01:53:30,690 --> 01:53:28,060
doesn't exist anymore do you feel that

2580
01:53:33,900 --> 01:53:30,700
all this is allegory and it's all you

2581
01:53:36,420 --> 01:53:33,910
know just people being creative you know

2582
01:53:38,220 --> 01:53:36,430
thinkers and artists if you will in

2583
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,230
terms of interpreting ancient events or

2584
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:40,960
do you think there's a some sort of germ

2585
01:53:45,110 --> 01:53:43,330
of truth there no I think most of it was

2586
01:53:48,180 --> 01:53:45,120
written for entertainment purposes and

2587
01:53:51,380 --> 01:53:48,190
the fact that a little of it is

2588
01:53:55,050 --> 01:53:51,390
evocative of subsequent technology is

2589
01:53:57,210 --> 01:53:55,060
about what you expect but I think most

2590
01:53:58,730 --> 01:53:57,220
of it is done for entertainment purposes

2591
01:54:01,560 --> 01:53:58,740
you shouldn't take it that seriously

2592
01:54:05,250 --> 01:54:01,570
especially especially flying carpets

2593
01:54:07,740 --> 01:54:05,260
talk about you prattle I wanted to throw

2594
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:07,750
that one in there just to kind of stir

2595
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:09,730
up the the pot a little bit rather

2596
01:54:13,740 --> 01:54:11,050
inefficient where are the creature

2597
01:54:15,150 --> 01:54:13,750
comforts regard to fly at least you want

2598
01:54:18,090 --> 01:54:15,160
to have some kind of enclosure because

2599
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:18,100
you gotta think of the wind just the

2600
01:54:23,070 --> 01:54:20,560
wind itself could be sufficient to drive

2601
01:54:24,900 --> 01:54:23,080
yeah but nuts yeah and you need someone

2602
01:54:27,690 --> 01:54:24,910
to give you those little peanut things

2603
01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:27,700
that they have to be on the flights on

2604
01:54:30,060 --> 01:54:28,720
the day there was a hundred thirty

2605
01:54:32,910 --> 01:54:30,070
degree they might look forward to that

2606
01:54:39,970 --> 01:54:32,920
you know just slip around them

2607
01:54:41,500 --> 01:54:39,980
how about our way you know whatever but

2608
01:54:44,290 --> 01:54:41,510
we're going to force you to believe in

2609
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:44,300
et you understand oh no no we want to

2610
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:45,890
look at all the possibilities and I'd

2611
01:54:51,729 --> 01:54:49,730
say well I've decreed based on Occam's

2612
01:54:53,620 --> 01:54:51,739
razor that there has to be a simple

2613
01:54:55,090 --> 01:54:53,630
explanation even though we don't know

2614
01:54:58,959 --> 01:54:55,100
what the explanation is we're just

2615
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:58,969
guessing I don't think that you did the

2616
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:01,280
quantum leap and you jump back into the

2617
01:55:06,729 --> 01:55:03,440
past or anything or you went into some

2618
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:06,739
kind of dimensional anomaly and ended up

2619
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:10,400
at 14:30 BC or something or wherever you

2620
01:55:15,370 --> 01:55:13,730
intend to go but the book is called deus

2621
01:55:15,850 --> 01:55:15,380
ex machina in my opinion this is too

2622
01:55:19,209 --> 01:55:15,860
easy

2623
01:55:22,330 --> 01:55:19,219
the book is called out of place and time

2624
01:55:24,130 --> 01:55:22,340
and space subtitled inventions beliefs

2625
01:55:26,410 --> 01:55:24,140
and artistic anomalies that were

2626
01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:26,420
impossibly ahead of their time with

2627
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:28,520
Lamont Wood you're listening to Jeana

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protect your portfolios from losing

2660
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2662
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their purchasing power for 6,000 years

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would have the buying power of three

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but the main wants to find a simple

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explanation hope it's the right one

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Lamont would the book is out of place in

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time and space we're exploring the

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mysteries trying to figure out what went

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on and when now Chris we had a question

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from the audience somewhere while back

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02:00:36,890 --> 02:00:33,930
and you dig that up and let us know what

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it is yeah this one comes from Gerry

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Brett and he's he's a fairly recent

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addition to the forum community and it's

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02:00:51,050 --> 02:00:47,910
a rather lengthy question and it refers

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02:00:54,380 --> 02:00:51,060
to a post with threatened at the forum

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02:00:58,880 --> 02:00:54,390
para cast calm that I talked about an

2752
02:01:02,090 --> 02:00:58,890
anti creativity bias that seems to exist

2753
02:01:04,340 --> 02:01:02,100
in culture and I think this goes back

2754
02:01:06,260 --> 02:01:04,350
into you know all the way back in

2755
02:01:08,060 --> 02:01:06,270
ancient times and all the way to the

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02:01:10,700 --> 02:01:08,070
present and he says and one of your

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02:01:13,430 --> 02:01:10,710
posts Chris she discussed do you have an

2758
02:01:15,590 --> 02:01:13,440
anti creative bias that was the title of

2759
02:01:18,170 --> 02:01:15,600
my thread and he says we often look back

2760
02:01:20,300 --> 02:01:18,180
in our Western history the Inquisition

2761
02:01:23,260 --> 02:01:20,310
comes to mind and say look how the

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02:01:25,580 --> 02:01:23,270
establishment of church and government

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02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:25,590
restricted people's thoughts and control

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02:01:30,530 --> 02:01:28,290
their ability to think creatively that

2765
02:01:32,959 --> 02:01:30,540
said many of these anachronistic

2766
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:32,969
anomalies so out of place of time

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02:01:37,220 --> 02:01:34,890
inventions were discovered or

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02:01:40,459 --> 02:01:37,230
rediscovered in those unenlightened

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02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:40,469
times today creativity in the fringes of

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02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:42,570
science continually comes under the

2771
02:01:47,330 --> 02:01:44,850
scrutiny of the scientific method and

2772
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:47,340
many creative ideas are at first ignored

2773
02:01:52,310 --> 02:01:50,130
ridicule that or suppress would it be

2774
02:01:54,340 --> 02:01:52,320
fair to say that today science and it's

2775
02:01:58,100 --> 02:01:54,350
established foothold in the mainstream

2776
02:02:01,040 --> 02:01:58,110
can as much be a hindrance to the

2777
02:02:01,810 --> 02:02:01,050
creative mind as those before mentioned

2778
02:02:04,180 --> 02:02:01,820
oppress

2779
02:02:06,700 --> 02:02:04,190
of old he mentioned said he heard you on

2780
02:02:08,350 --> 02:02:06,710
another paranormal broadcast and there

2781
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:08,360
is no time-traveling involved in his

2782
02:02:11,350 --> 02:02:10,370
book just observations of what appeared

2783
02:02:13,900 --> 02:02:11,360
to be anomalies

2784
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:13,910
he says he looked up the child's

2785
02:02:17,830 --> 02:02:15,650
helicopter and it appears that this was

2786
02:02:19,690 --> 02:02:17,840
an invention of the Chinese not a

2787
02:02:22,660 --> 02:02:19,700
time-traveling space alien planting

2788
02:02:25,180 --> 02:02:22,670
anomalies on saviors or in icons so I

2789
02:02:28,390 --> 02:02:25,190
think basically the thrust of his

2790
02:02:31,980 --> 02:02:28,400
question here is could it be that one of

2791
02:02:34,510 --> 02:02:31,990
the reasons why these types of anomalies

2792
02:02:36,340 --> 02:02:34,520
exist is because they weren't recognized

2793
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:36,350
at the time because of the culture and

2794
02:02:43,380 --> 02:02:39,490
it's only during future generations

2795
02:02:46,830 --> 02:02:43,390
where you know our creativity in our

2796
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:46,840
antique creativity bias I should say

2797
02:02:51,340 --> 02:02:49,370
doesn't come into play as much I mean

2798
02:02:53,860 --> 02:02:51,350
could that be an explanation for why

2799
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:53,870
some of these anomalies were not really

2800
02:02:58,750 --> 02:02:55,610
acknowledged or even understood at the

2801
02:03:02,050 --> 02:02:58,760
time well yeah absolutely in many

2802
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:02,060
cultures there's no room for creativity

2803
02:03:08,890 --> 02:03:06,530
because or because everyone is you're

2804
02:03:12,850 --> 02:03:08,900
supposed to know your place and accept

2805
02:03:14,860 --> 02:03:12,860
it and to do something that lets you get

2806
02:03:17,860 --> 02:03:14,870
leave your place in society and get rich

2807
02:03:20,500 --> 02:03:17,870
like inventing something that is found

2808
02:03:24,340 --> 02:03:20,510
upon and there are such cultures right

2809
02:03:25,240 --> 02:03:24,350
now we're not in one but and some of

2810
02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:25,250
those cultures are out there and they

2811
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:27,920
resent us greatly and they plot against

2812
02:03:35,500 --> 02:03:31,730
us and we go on blank so there is that

2813
02:03:39,070 --> 02:03:35,510
now now as far as modern science being a

2814
02:03:40,930 --> 02:03:39,080
wet blanket on creativity if you're

2815
02:03:42,850 --> 02:03:40,940
gonna make a living as a scientist

2816
02:03:45,820 --> 02:03:42,860
you've got to be able to basically give

2817
02:03:48,730 --> 02:03:45,830
someone hire you and to do that you have

2818
02:03:50,260 --> 02:03:48,740
to fit in and convince them that you can

2819
02:03:52,540 --> 02:03:50,270
contribute to whatever project they had

2820
02:03:55,740 --> 02:03:52,550
in mind and whatever project I had in

2821
02:03:58,210 --> 02:03:55,750
mind has already gotten funding is

2822
02:03:59,170 --> 02:03:58,220
probably not really so not Alessio

2823
02:03:59,920 --> 02:03:59,180
that's something that's already

2824
02:04:03,220 --> 02:03:59,930
established

2825
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:03,230
that's not very controversial rather so

2826
02:04:08,500 --> 02:04:05,570
yes it can be a wet blanket just because

2827
02:04:09,940 --> 02:04:08,510
it's basically a that's what your branch

2828
02:04:12,010 --> 02:04:09,950
of big business but it is sort of

2829
02:04:15,369 --> 02:04:12,020
modeled on big business if you want the

2830
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:15,379
money you're doing that plate long now

2831
02:04:19,089 --> 02:04:17,090
and engines still get made there are

2832
02:04:21,909 --> 02:04:19,099
still progress especially around the

2833
02:04:24,189 --> 02:04:21,919
edges but as far as doing something that

2834
02:04:26,649 --> 02:04:24,199
would make everyone think you're crazy

2835
02:04:29,770 --> 02:04:26,659
or they would dismiss something

2836
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:29,780
frivolous you would be very slow to do

2837
02:04:33,729 --> 02:04:31,760
that and that brings us back to the

2838
02:04:34,899 --> 02:04:33,739
helicopter again it was probably

2839
02:04:37,179 --> 02:04:34,909
considered forever lost no one paid any

2840
02:04:38,979 --> 02:04:37,189
attention to it as well as those

2841
02:04:41,409 --> 02:04:38,989
steam-powered toys two Greeks and Romans

2842
02:04:43,810 --> 02:04:41,419
had frivolous you know no one paid any

2843
02:04:49,869 --> 02:04:43,820
attention to land that have answered

2844
02:04:52,509 --> 02:04:49,879
question I forgot so it seems to me that

2845
02:04:55,569 --> 02:04:52,519
it it tends to be the visionaries in the

2846
02:04:58,779 --> 02:04:55,579
artists that come up with a lot of these

2847
02:05:01,509 --> 02:04:58,789
anomalies and and possibly they're just

2848
02:05:04,089 --> 02:05:01,519
inspired by their creative imaginations

2849
02:05:06,699 --> 02:05:04,099
and it's only in hindsight that when we

2850
02:05:07,509 --> 02:05:06,709
look back and we say wow that that

2851
02:05:11,229 --> 02:05:07,519
doesn't look right

2852
02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:11,239
that possibly we identify you know a

2853
02:05:16,689 --> 02:05:13,609
hidden sort of germ of creativity and

2854
02:05:18,790 --> 02:05:16,699
some you know long ago artists who

2855
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:18,800
happen to come up with with some sort of

2856
02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:22,159
visual or you know a representation of

2857
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:24,050
you know in the case you mentioned

2858
02:05:29,859 --> 02:05:26,090
Jonathan Swift I think is a classic

2859
02:05:31,689 --> 02:05:29,869
example of of an artist who came up with

2860
02:05:36,189 --> 02:05:31,699
some out of place and out of time

2861
02:05:38,919 --> 02:05:36,199
observations about astronomical you know

2862
02:05:42,580 --> 02:05:38,929
in terms I think what was it he he

2863
02:05:44,379 --> 02:05:42,590
talked about I think the balloons the

2864
02:05:47,279 --> 02:05:44,389
moons of Mars if I remember correctly

2865
02:05:50,020 --> 02:05:47,289
and that was back in the early 1700s and

2866
02:05:52,330 --> 02:05:50,030
I think you also mentioned the Voltaire

2867
02:05:55,929 --> 02:05:52,340
mentioned Martian moons a couple of

2868
02:05:58,239 --> 02:05:55,939
decades later so it seems like artists

2869
02:06:00,369 --> 02:05:58,249
tend to be the ones that come up with

2870
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:00,379
depictions of out of place and out of

2871
02:06:05,709 --> 02:06:03,530
time technology or or facts and then

2872
02:06:08,589 --> 02:06:05,719
it's only a hind side to the rest of us

2873
02:06:11,319 --> 02:06:08,599
pick up on it yeah well let me pick up

2874
02:06:14,429 --> 02:06:11,329
on that for a moment um average artist

2875
02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:14,439
is not really constrained by physics and

2876
02:06:18,810 --> 02:06:17,689
logistics of stuff if you because

2877
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:18,820
they're there

2878
02:06:24,450 --> 02:06:21,760
akhom yeah uncle ah yes they're

2879
02:06:26,910 --> 02:06:24,460
depicting things now in my researchers I

2880
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:26,920
came across one big counter example of a

2881
02:06:32,490 --> 02:06:28,570
guy who was not only way ahead of his

2882
02:06:34,590 --> 02:06:32,500
time but man she managed to can reduce

2883
02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:34,600
it to practice and actually build real

2884
02:06:38,670 --> 02:06:37,330
things and accomplish something with it

2885
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:38,680
and that would have been our comedian

2886
02:06:45,180 --> 02:06:41,920
back in the states to Syracuse and 212

2887
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:45,190
BC or so and he was able to defeat Roman

2888
02:06:49,170 --> 02:06:46,960
armies with diesel engines he came up

2889
02:06:50,700 --> 02:06:49,180
with apparently he was a genius of full

2890
02:06:53,790 --> 02:06:50,710
government and financial backing

2891
02:06:58,110 --> 02:06:53,800
something you rarely see but he pulled

2892
02:06:59,850 --> 02:06:58,120
it off now when I started writing this

2893
02:07:01,470 --> 02:06:59,860
book people seem to think that I was

2894
02:07:04,590 --> 02:07:01,480
going to be doing a lot of stuff ah

2895
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:04,600
Leonardo da Vinci because he designed

2896
02:07:08,430 --> 02:07:05,650
all these things that were ahead of

2897
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:08,440
their times he rarely reduced any of it

2898
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:11,520
to practice it was all in most cases

2899
02:07:16,110 --> 02:07:14,410
drawings and like he hid it trying to

2900
02:07:19,250 --> 02:07:16,120
helicopter it wouldn't have worked

2901
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:19,260
because there was no mechanism for

2902
02:07:24,210 --> 02:07:22,810
countering the torque and the blade

2903
02:07:25,890 --> 02:07:24,220
would turn one way and the body would

2904
02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:25,900
have turned another and wouldn't been

2905
02:07:34,710 --> 02:07:29,530
practical so going back to Jonathan

2906
02:07:37,650 --> 02:07:34,720
Swift he was a writer who wrote satire

2907
02:07:40,500 --> 02:07:37,660
and travel books and combined them in

2908
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:40,510
Gulliver's Travels and at one point his

2909
02:07:47,730 --> 02:07:43,690
hero is in a land after which one will

2910
02:07:50,100 --> 02:07:47,740
appear something and source wants to

2911
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:50,110
show that the science there are superior

2912
02:07:55,860 --> 02:07:53,920
to European scientists so he depicts

2913
02:07:57,870 --> 02:07:55,870
them as having made all these

2914
02:08:01,380 --> 02:07:57,880
astronomical discoveries unknown in

2915
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:01,390
Europe including two moons of Mars which

2916
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:03,730
he then goes on to describe and more

2917
02:08:08,460 --> 02:08:06,130
detailed than you would expect he talks

2918
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:08,470
about how far they are away from Mars in

2919
02:08:13,890 --> 02:08:10,960
terms of planetary diameters and their

2920
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:13,900
orbital period in terms of hours I will

2921
02:08:18,690 --> 02:08:15,970
get into Jonathan Swift and the moons of

2922
02:08:21,630 --> 02:08:18,700
Mars with Lamont Wood book is out of

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place in time and space and you here

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listening to the parrot game the gold

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standard a paranormal radio so we jump

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to Jonathan Swift a couple of those

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02:12:59,710 --> 02:12:56,390
moons on Mars with Lamont lovely meaning

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02:13:03,280 --> 02:12:59,720
Chris okay let's find out now as they

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say the rest of the story okay

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the short answer which I will now flesh

3030
02:13:09,340 --> 02:13:07,760
out is that he talks about the moods of

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Mars 150 years before they were

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discovered

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he and Gulliver's Travels he depicts

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these two moons and then as existing

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02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:18,080
well the end and describes them in terms

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02:13:24,070 --> 02:13:22,130
of their distance from Mars and terms of

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planetary diameters and their orbital

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period in terms of hours and they're

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fairly close to the planet and rotate in

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02:13:32,860 --> 02:13:30,160
orbit in a matter of hours

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02:13:34,570 --> 02:13:32,870
history short story and put in fifty

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02:13:39,220 --> 02:13:34,580
years later they discover Deimos and

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Phobos orbiting Mars and they have

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rotational distance of always few

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02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:43,580
planetary diameters and orbit Mars in

3046
02:13:49,630 --> 02:13:46,880
matter of hours so it looks like he was

3047
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:49,640
eerily accurate in this case I have to

3048
02:13:54,580 --> 02:13:51,760
argue that he just got lucky

3049
02:13:56,710 --> 02:13:54,590
and and in this case I don't feel so

3050
02:14:00,660 --> 02:13:56,720
silly as I doing some other cases saying

3051
02:14:03,490 --> 02:14:00,670
I got lucky he wanted to show that the

3052
02:14:05,260 --> 02:14:03,500
astronomers of this little pocket

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02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:05,270
whatever it was that celebrated ended up

3054
02:14:11,830 --> 02:14:08,650
ended up in had pretty much confirmed

3055
02:14:15,610 --> 02:14:11,840
Kepler's laws of planetary motion which

3056
02:14:17,740 --> 02:14:15,620
implied that the celestial realm is

3057
02:14:20,050 --> 02:14:17,750
governed by the same laws of science

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02:14:22,450 --> 02:14:20,060
that govern our actions here on the

3059
02:14:24,670 --> 02:14:22,460
surface of the earth and Kepler's laws

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02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:24,680
of planetary motion involve a ratio

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02:14:34,230 --> 02:14:29,210
between a planets our bodies Aurel

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period around its central body and the

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02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:37,460
in the distance from that body and with

3064
02:14:42,849 --> 02:14:41,090
two moons you can show that ratio and if

3065
02:14:45,939 --> 02:14:42,859
you do the math yes it does

3066
02:14:47,290 --> 02:14:45,949
the moon's he invented do uphold

3067
02:14:49,929 --> 02:14:47,300
Kepler's laws of planetary motion

3068
02:14:52,299 --> 02:14:49,939
however if you plunk them down it's a

3069
02:14:54,729 --> 02:14:52,309
real Martian gravity field with Deimos

3070
02:14:57,369 --> 02:14:54,739
and Phobos they don't they don't follow

3071
02:14:58,629 --> 02:14:57,379
the ratio they're off malefactor six so

3072
02:15:00,459 --> 02:14:58,639
in fact he abandoned them without

3073
02:15:03,869 --> 02:15:00,469
knowing anything about Martian gravity

3074
02:15:06,369 --> 02:15:03,879
or have any any real knowledge of

3075
02:15:08,279 --> 02:15:06,379
astronaut astrodynamics

3076
02:15:11,009 --> 02:15:08,289
so what you say here is if enough people

3077
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:11,019
invent something in a fictional story

3078
02:15:16,329 --> 02:15:13,129
sometimes they'll get these things right

3079
02:15:18,339 --> 02:15:16,339
yeah it really is not that it's

3080
02:15:20,619 --> 02:15:18,349
deceptive that's how accurate looks it

3081
02:15:22,750 --> 02:15:20,629
really isn't that accurate presumably he

3082
02:15:25,149 --> 02:15:22,760
noticed that the earth has one moon and

3083
02:15:28,209 --> 02:15:25,159
then you have Mars and union Jupiter

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02:15:31,299 --> 02:15:28,219
Jupiter had form and so in between Mars

3085
02:15:33,279 --> 02:15:31,309
should have at least two moons was three

3086
02:15:35,109 --> 02:15:33,289
it would acquired more mass to make it

3087
02:15:39,639 --> 02:15:35,119
match Kepler's law so he just up to 2

3088
02:15:41,319 --> 02:15:39,649
and so there we have it now so like 150

3089
02:15:44,259 --> 02:15:41,329
years later they discover actual moons

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there and it seems acceptably familiar

3091
02:15:49,179 --> 02:15:46,789
but it's really only that long familiar

3092
02:15:50,829 --> 02:15:49,189
doesn't really match this description so

3093
02:15:52,389 --> 02:15:50,839
the person who created the communicator

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02:15:54,729 --> 02:15:52,399
on Star Trek whether it's Gene

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Roddenberry or one of his writers he

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didn't know that would really happen but

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02:16:01,899 --> 02:16:00,199
it seemed sensible yes based on other

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02:16:04,959 --> 02:16:01,909
stuff they had at that time you gotta

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remember wireless telephones and walkie

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talkies or clunking cost more and we're

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fairly big technology cellphone was not

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02:16:16,599 --> 02:16:14,599
invented in the 60s it was invented in

3103
02:16:19,329 --> 02:16:16,609
the 70s by a guy from Motorola but

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obviously it was based on two-way radio

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technology right and you can have you

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can have two way radio phones there were

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02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:25,339
a certain number allows every city it

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did it cost a fortune obviously and to

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be on a waiting list because you had to

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share a bandwidth of everyone else miss

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well cells on technology have to share

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bandwidth with everyone in your block

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basically so it makes it much more

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practical well now of course we still

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have bandwidth problems when you get

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those drop calls right you know well

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they don't care about it that's the

3118
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problem - is that the wireless carriers

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02:16:54,339 --> 02:16:53,389
I think provide the minimum amount of

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service

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they can deliver before you start

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screaming have you screamed too loudly

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and there's too much customer churn

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going to other carriers they'll take a

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few billion if they're not trying to

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spend thirty nine billion to kill a

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competitor they'll spend a few billion

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02:17:12,399 --> 02:17:10,010
to give you a better service right all

3129
02:17:15,250 --> 02:17:12,409
called mathematics out there that's in

3130
02:17:16,450 --> 02:17:15,260
and they'll say anything to the think

3131
02:17:17,859 --> 02:17:16,460
will make you feel better on the phone

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02:17:20,769 --> 02:17:17,869
so that's why they didn't build all

3133
02:17:22,780 --> 02:17:20,779
these advanced aircraft 100 or 200 years

3134
02:17:24,729 --> 02:17:22,790
earlier no I don't think the phone

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02:17:28,359 --> 02:17:24,739
company was involved in that really I

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02:17:31,149 --> 02:17:28,369
thought he was because they couldn't

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pull off the necessary mode lightweight

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02:17:37,780 --> 02:17:35,479
motors steam just didn't work of all the

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items that you examine for the book out

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02:17:41,919 --> 02:17:39,439
of place and time and space

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02:17:43,389 --> 02:17:41,929
do you have a single item and maybe

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02:17:46,540 --> 02:17:43,399
you've mentioned it already but a single

3143
02:17:51,450 --> 02:17:46,550
item that just totally got you

3144
02:17:58,919 --> 02:17:56,589
there's so many again I mentioned the

3145
02:18:03,250 --> 02:17:58,929
Voynich manuscript which is just

3146
02:18:04,750 --> 02:18:03,260
disturbing anyway you look at it no no

3147
02:18:10,419 --> 02:18:04,760
it's not all the naked women that are

3148
02:18:12,280 --> 02:18:10,429
depicted on every page okay there is a

3149
02:18:17,379 --> 02:18:12,290
family radio show we can't get into the

3150
02:18:20,049 --> 02:18:17,389
implications right right that makes no

3151
02:18:21,759 --> 02:18:20,059
sense they even to this but there's a

3152
02:18:23,290 --> 02:18:21,769
lot of artifacts out there don't make no

3153
02:18:25,839 --> 02:18:23,300
sense that they even exist but that's

3154
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:25,849
because we don't share the basic

3155
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:27,290
assumptions for whoever built the thing

3156
02:18:31,209 --> 02:18:29,689
you're made to say if that's the main

3157
02:18:35,109 --> 02:18:31,219
takeaway from the book it would be that

3158
02:18:38,769 --> 02:18:35,119
that you cannot assign your agenda to

3159
02:18:41,290 --> 02:18:38,779
everyone else and we're guests on really

3160
02:18:42,969 --> 02:18:41,300
I mean when you say I know that this is

3161
02:18:45,370 --> 02:18:42,979
a simple way of doing it we don't know

3162
02:18:47,559 --> 02:18:45,380
what went on in that person's head where

3163
02:18:49,570 --> 02:18:47,569
they were at what experiences they had

3164
02:18:49,809 --> 02:18:49,580
what they encountered or anything like

3165
02:18:56,320 --> 02:18:49,819
that

3166
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:56,330
right but again I keep coming back to

3167
02:19:02,169 --> 02:19:00,559
our committees he he came up with these

3168
02:19:05,530 --> 02:19:02,179
huge machines that defeated the Roman

3169
02:19:07,339 --> 02:19:05,540
army the Romans came into possession of

3170
02:19:08,810 --> 02:19:07,349
the city and you don't hear

3171
02:19:10,100 --> 02:19:08,820
any further mention of those machines

3172
02:19:12,650 --> 02:19:10,110
apparently this uses kindling the

3173
02:19:15,790 --> 02:19:12,660
probably understanding themselves and he

3174
02:19:19,310 --> 02:19:15,800
and ended the so-called death race and a

3175
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:19,320
modern analysis of his final last

3176
02:19:24,049 --> 02:19:22,800
surviving manuscripts indicates that he

3177
02:19:27,770 --> 02:19:24,059
understood what we've now called

3178
02:19:29,990 --> 02:19:27,780
calculus which we usually think was

3179
02:19:33,320 --> 02:19:30,000
invented by or about the time of Isaac

3180
02:19:35,330 --> 02:19:33,330
Newton about 17 1700 he also understood

3181
02:19:38,180 --> 02:19:35,340
what we now call number theory what

3182
02:19:40,459 --> 02:19:38,190
should we date back to about 1890 Barry

3183
02:19:43,790 --> 02:19:40,469
was sitting actually 212 BC or so

3184
02:19:47,780 --> 02:19:43,800
writing this stuff so that's

3185
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:47,790
jaw-dropping but it's a cold no the guy

3186
02:19:58,280 --> 02:19:53,130
was genius obviously and again there is

3187
02:20:01,160 --> 02:19:58,290
the Jules Verne and his fairly accurate

3188
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:01,170
description of the Apollo program 100

3189
02:20:07,580 --> 02:20:05,610
years for what started another theme

3190
02:20:11,090 --> 02:20:07,590
though always caught my eye it's not

3191
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:11,100
really inexplicable but it really

3192
02:20:16,610 --> 02:20:14,130
catches my eye would be new pre-modern

3193
02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:16,620
attempts to build a computer it sisters

3194
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:19,200
always been this underlying hunger for

3195
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:21,690
computational power and that's a few

3196
02:20:28,310 --> 02:20:26,250
people given the least hope of

3197
02:20:30,440 --> 02:20:28,320
succeeding will have made a run at it

3198
02:20:35,420 --> 02:20:30,450
including the two people I described in

3199
02:20:38,570 --> 02:20:35,430
the 1820s and 1830s Babbage and Lady

3200
02:20:41,210 --> 02:20:38,580
Vesta Byron who tried to build a

3201
02:20:44,570 --> 02:20:41,220
mechanical one modern Ellis assure that

3202
02:20:46,610 --> 02:20:44,580
probably would have worked but they fell

3203
02:20:50,270 --> 02:20:46,620
afoul to what we now call creeping

3204
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:50,280
feature ISM which if you see this in a

3205
02:20:56,450 --> 02:20:54,570
modern project be sure and speak up

3206
02:20:57,470 --> 02:20:56,460
because basically what you do is you

3207
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reasonable and make a plan based on that

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new ideas you want to add to it so then

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keep you keep adding things to it and

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that wrecks the original plan and that

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is what happened in this case and it's

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not the last it's a computer development

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project it fell afoul of that but

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certainly recommend but which would be

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my favorites oh boy I guess I'm fond of

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all of them but the eeriest ones me was

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the one about Vannevar bush and the

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magazine article he wrote in 1945 he was

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had been President Roosevelt science

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advisor during World War two

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and 1945 he wrote an article complaining

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basically that the paper-based

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and he sits down describe what he would

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like to see and then we won again to

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that in a moment because Vannevar Bush

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is also a figure in some ufo-related

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speculation that we will not get into no

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we understand that Lamont wood joins us

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you are listening to the podcast we are

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back little mana wood and by the way he

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has also written a lot of blogs for

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information week if you want to explore

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a lot of technological aspects of our

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world covering such things as printers

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servers and green business I had a

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keyboard the other day by the way that

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works on light to draw the power they'll

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go into that another time we're about

3357
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VanDerveer Bush someone who is a figure

3358
02:27:17,480 --> 02:27:14,850
in the UFO mystery with gene and Chris

3359
02:27:18,770 --> 02:27:17,490
on the power cast Lamont explained well

3360
02:27:20,870 --> 02:27:18,780
there's a bigger mystery than that

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Alexey he wrote a magazine article in

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1945 complaining that the paper based

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information management tools been

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available have become completely

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inadequate and if anyone would know

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about that it would be him because he

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had been President Roosevelt science

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advisor during World War Two and had

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02:27:42,440 --> 02:27:38,580
struggled with things like developing

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atomic bomb and jet airplanes and radar

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02:27:47,960 --> 02:27:45,540
and stuff it's probably wading through

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02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:47,970
piles of paper every day and in this

3373
02:27:52,250 --> 02:27:49,920
magazine article he sat down described

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what he would like to see which would be

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information on an electronics form that

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02:28:00,440 --> 02:27:58,590
you could establish links between when

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02:28:03,410 --> 02:28:00,450
you saw them and store these links and

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call them up later and display it on

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your desk and these translucent screens

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presumably from some kind of

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high-density microfilm and he didn't go

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into great detail about what the

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technology are be now taking those with

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totality you realize what he's talking

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about is a web browser with a foreign

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back button and URLs and a keyboard and

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a little scanner dad things except he

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didn't really precede internet he

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assumed that all this would be built

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into your desk and it would be updated

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once a month with the post office with

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delays journal articles whatever but you

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can thing is you can call this article

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up online and read it on your web

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browser and it's really eerie radiant

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realizing he's talking about what you're

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doing right then and he had no idea he

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was just hoping for this in 1945

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and again I guess you know facing the

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same problem

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maybe engineers often think in parallel

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lines and we ended up with something

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that answers what he was asking for but

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again the people designed web of course

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under the same pressure and one to

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accomplish something similar but it is

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just startling now did he have some

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German foreknowledge as I point out in

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his article he gives an example of using

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it to research particular topic

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involving why the English didn't trade

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their long bows for the longer-range

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Turkish those that they encountered

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during the Crusades and he thinks it was

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just an example of cultural inertia and

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he gives the example of someone doing

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this research in the siting of cultural

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merchants and I point out if you do the

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research nowadays it was personally

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discovered is that those Turkish bows

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did not work in the presence of humidity

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they had to be stored in containers they

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were made out of exotic glue that was

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derived from the mouth parts of Daniel

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River sturgeon or something bizarre and

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back in England they would have been

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useful only for kindling that wouldn't

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worked at all so in other words the

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British weren't really done it did not

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adopt adopt that technology but but

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obviously he didn't have access to

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modern research tools and the contents

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02:30:22,180 --> 02:30:19,581
of those tools he was just making up

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something based on something's heard

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someplace so no he was not tied into

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something from the future he was simply

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speculation now as far as his

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participation in some super government

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running the country and as a front for

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UFOs

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really good luck - well basically what

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I'm getting from what you're saying you

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know in your book and your and your

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appearance on the parrot cast is

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necessity is the mother of invention

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going back to the old cliche that if

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there's a need for some new device or

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tool or method it's just it's isn't it's

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a natural process for that need to be

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lies by some creative individual out

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02:31:09,609 --> 02:31:07,369
there which gets back to our questioners

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point about creativity that it's the

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creative types in our societies and our

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cultures that tend to come up with the

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ideas that then priests age the

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invention which then gets actualized

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02:31:24,279 --> 02:31:21,289
right at some point something has to be

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invented from nothing and and to assign

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02:31:29,550 --> 02:31:27,499
that process to some kind of data sex

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02:31:31,659 --> 02:31:29,560
Makena i think is a little demeaning

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02:31:33,189 --> 02:31:31,669
especially as we see it going on all

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02:31:36,010 --> 02:31:33,199
around us and I'm pretty sure does know

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02:31:37,540 --> 02:31:36,020
there's no EP involvement well they have

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02:31:40,510 --> 02:31:37,550
to also think out of the box I mean

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02:31:42,130 --> 02:31:40,520
didn't Henry Ford once say that if they

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took customer surveys of what they

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wanted they would have had a faster

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horse and buggy so somebody has to kind

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of say and let me dream of something to

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a mass-produced car a telephone with a

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02:31:58,449 --> 02:31:55,699
touchscreen or a tiny computer like the

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02:32:00,580 --> 02:31:58,459
one on Star Trek next generation now I'd

3473
02:32:02,859 --> 02:32:00,590
like to make two points at this point I

3474
02:32:07,139 --> 02:32:02,869
can remember I'm getting old here one is

3475
02:32:10,090 --> 02:32:07,149
that it almost it almost doesn't matter

3476
02:32:12,340 --> 02:32:10,100
well those two things one rule of thumb

3477
02:32:14,409 --> 02:32:12,350
is that it's conceivable someone has

3478
02:32:14,979 --> 02:32:14,419
tried it you probably didn't work in

3479
02:32:17,380 --> 02:32:14,989
most cases

3480
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:17,390
but the ones we do hear about and the

3481
02:32:23,380 --> 02:32:19,850
ones that do affect us are the gadgets

3482
02:32:26,979 --> 02:32:23,390
that can be used in what's called a

3483
02:32:28,689 --> 02:32:26,989
network effect or one person inventing

3484
02:32:30,399 --> 02:32:28,699
writing for his own purpose that's

3485
02:32:32,500 --> 02:32:30,409
interesting but having a literate

3486
02:32:36,429 --> 02:32:32,510
population that creates a new sort of

3487
02:32:38,469 --> 02:32:36,439
civilization Henry Ford building one

3488
02:32:40,840 --> 02:32:38,479
automobile or horseless carriage for one

3489
02:32:43,630 --> 02:32:40,850
person I mean that's a nice feat but

3490
02:32:47,159 --> 02:32:43,640
mass producing them for nation and then

3491
02:32:49,330 --> 02:32:47,169
which then builds nice roads and that

3492
02:32:52,269 --> 02:32:49,340
creates something new doesn't it

3493
02:32:54,309 --> 02:32:52,279
one telephone or two telephone see to

3494
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:54,319
them it's interesting but the wire the

3495
02:32:59,529 --> 02:32:57,130
country that is another thing altogether

3496
02:33:01,059 --> 02:32:59,539
so it almost doesn't matter what the

3497
02:33:04,090 --> 02:33:01,069
gadget is that you're inventing the

3498
02:33:06,010 --> 02:33:04,100
question is is it possible to get a

3499
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:06,020
network effect out of it and that is

3500
02:33:11,409 --> 02:33:08,930
what really affects civilization in my

3501
02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:11,419
opinion I say the books are nice but be

3502
02:33:16,050 --> 02:33:12,890
able to mass-produce them with a

3503
02:33:18,330 --> 02:33:16,060
printing press something else altogether

3504
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:18,340
nowadays is your ebook reader yes

3505
02:33:23,639 --> 02:33:20,800
exactly and I would also point out again

3506
02:33:25,590 --> 02:33:23,649
that the effect is usually you really

3507
02:33:28,139 --> 02:33:25,600
can't see what its gonna be going back

3508
02:33:30,059 --> 02:33:28,149
to what I said when we first got on here

3509
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:30,069
yes I've been following high technology

3510
02:33:35,160 --> 02:33:32,290
for years and you would think I would

3511
02:33:37,710 --> 02:33:35,170
have thought that the camera phone was a

3512
02:33:38,939 --> 02:33:37,720
great idea and everyone would latch on

3513
02:33:42,019 --> 02:33:38,949
to it the effects would be far-reaching

3514
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:42,029
no I was dumb nobody use that come on

3515
02:33:51,300 --> 02:33:46,090
waking teenage girls with some shiny

3516
02:33:52,439 --> 02:33:51,310
gadget you know that was wrong it's been

3517
02:33:55,649 --> 02:33:52,449
widely adopted it has far-reaching

3518
02:33:58,139 --> 02:33:55,659
effects so we can hire you as the head

3519
02:34:01,889 --> 02:33:58,149
designer and Apple incorporated when

3520
02:34:06,109 --> 02:34:01,899
Johnny ivy leaves no and I'm not sure I

3521
02:34:11,790 --> 02:34:09,269
reasons having followed Apple funded the

3522
02:34:14,130 --> 02:34:11,800
the joke is that that deficit them and

3523
02:34:16,139 --> 02:34:14,140
the Boy Scouts the Boy Scouts has adult

3524
02:34:17,269 --> 02:34:16,149
supervision well maybe that's how it

3525
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:17,279
works

3526
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:19,930
yes yeah I have to look at the thing

3527
02:34:23,969 --> 02:34:22,329
with the eyes of the child right the guy

3528
02:34:26,069 --> 02:34:23,979
and imagine the future if you get too

3529
02:34:29,130 --> 02:34:26,079
old get out of the business

3530
02:34:33,210 --> 02:34:29,140
right on I can I'm pretty much to all of

3531
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:33,220
this but but that again going back to

3532
02:34:36,899 --> 02:34:34,960
the thing I discovered is this ongoing

3533
02:34:39,059 --> 02:34:36,909
theme that they don't pay attention to

3534
02:34:40,889 --> 02:34:39,069
toys but they should there's all sorts

3535
02:34:44,729 --> 02:34:40,899
of stuff going on there will steam

3536
02:34:48,510 --> 02:34:44,739
engines flying machines well of course

3537
02:34:51,479 --> 02:34:48,520
you know fanciful stories stories yeah

3538
02:34:54,780 --> 02:34:51,489
the sense of wonder look at look at what

3539
02:34:58,769 --> 02:34:54,790
all the GI Joes and the 60s did to to

3540
02:35:03,649 --> 02:34:58,779
this particular day oh God yeah but look

3541
02:35:06,689 --> 02:35:03,659
I mean um skateboards how'd he do that

3542
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:06,699
so everyone had that what would it be -

3543
02:35:14,819 --> 02:35:09,760
you know and why are we bobbing Follies

3544
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:14,829
a heavy automobile when we can zoom

3545
02:35:21,330 --> 02:35:17,170
belong anyway it doesn't take that much

3546
02:35:23,819 --> 02:35:21,340
to learn it so in some cities of course

3547
02:35:25,590 --> 02:35:23,829
when it comes to cars you wonder why

3548
02:35:27,870 --> 02:35:25,600
they learned to drive but that's another

3549
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:27,880
story the book is called out of place in

3550
02:35:32,310 --> 02:35:29,280
time and space

3551
02:35:34,711 --> 02:35:32,320
subtitled inventions beliefs and

3552
02:35:36,661 --> 02:35:34,721
artistic anomalies that were impossibly

3553
02:35:38,100 --> 02:35:36,671
ahead of their time tell our listeners

3554
02:35:40,470 --> 02:35:38,110
where they can find one of the things

3555
02:35:42,001 --> 02:35:40,480
you do lamont would well for this book

3556
02:35:44,220 --> 02:35:42,011
you can course go to your bookstore and

3557
02:35:46,291 --> 02:35:44,230
loudly demand attic socket scream loudly

3558
02:35:49,530 --> 02:35:46,301
yes yeah yeah all right let's get the

3559
02:35:51,900 --> 02:35:49,540
title right or my name is la mo NT WOD

3560
02:35:54,990 --> 02:35:51,910
or you can find it under the name on

3561
02:35:57,871 --> 02:35:55,000
Amazon own that I mostly write for a

3562
02:35:59,341 --> 02:35:57,881
computer industrial magazines and so why

3563
02:36:01,470 --> 02:35:59,351
we're going to invite you on the other

3564
02:36:03,470 --> 02:36:01,480
show the tech night our live so stay

3565
02:36:05,700 --> 02:36:03,480
tuned ladies and gentlemen Chris O'Brien

3566
02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:05,710
tell us more of the things that you've

3567
02:36:11,190 --> 02:36:09,370
got going well our strange planet.com is

3568
02:36:14,011 --> 02:36:11,200
where you can find more of my work and

3569
02:36:16,530 --> 02:36:14,021
also I'm a moderator at the forum dot

3570
02:36:18,930 --> 02:36:16,540
the para cast calm and I'm sure we're

3571
02:36:20,341 --> 02:36:18,940
gonna have a lively discussion after mr.

3572
02:36:22,591 --> 02:36:20,351
woods appearance here on the pair of

3573
02:36:25,171 --> 02:36:22,601
cast and I can't look forward to it

3574
02:36:26,970 --> 02:36:25,181
enough I think that this has been a

3575
02:36:29,041 --> 02:36:26,980
great show Lamont thank you so much for

3576
02:36:30,720 --> 02:36:29,051
being on and we're gonna have some fun

3577
02:36:32,850 --> 02:36:30,730
on the forums and you're invited to

3578
02:36:35,671 --> 02:36:32,860
participate as little or as much as

3579
02:36:37,711 --> 02:36:35,681
you'd like okay our next week's episode

3580
02:36:39,900 --> 02:36:37,721
the power cast we'll have Peter Robbins

3581
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:39,910
talking about his friend Budd Hopkins

3582
02:36:45,360 --> 02:36:42,730
who passed away recently also the

3583
02:36:55,791 --> 02:36:45,370
Rendlesham UFO case all this and work

3584
02:37:02,251 --> 02:36:59,070
the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

3585
02:37:05,211 --> 02:37:02,261
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3586
02:37:08,940 --> 02:37:05,221
presentation of making the impossible